A newbie's thought's on anime music videos in general

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:53 am

crap posted to quick, I ment to also add to check out the Recomended AMVs forum, since many people will post WHY they liked particular amv, and you might find some there that sound like youd like it.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:36 am

Here's a small update. Teinted Donut is a perfect example for what I said earlier about AMV's being "cobbled together". I counted scenes for 30 seconds, and came up with a whopping 32, which means that individual scenes were visible for an average of slightly less than a second. I do believe that this is the most clumsy way imaginable to make video match with music, and not only does it happen a lot, but it also gives me headaches. On the other hand the vid does do a really neat job at combining to animes. Hats off to that aspect.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:39 am

cause you know random chicks dancing with their asses in the screen isnt just a visualization, granted there are SOME good real MVs out there but a good majority of them are brainlesss thugs with hot chicks dancing, that sounds more like a visualization theme than anything you have pointed out.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:03 am

arzuro wrote:That's one aspect of anime music videos that sickens me, it appears that, and many of the amv banners communicate this, the goal of the amv community is to be as different as possible.

Actually, the real goal is to just have fun; I think you missed that. If anyone actually likes what's going on, that's a bonus.

If you want to satisfy your conception of what a music video should be, then I suggest you start making them. These days, there is very little, if any, technical barrier to doing so.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:04 am

Yeah but the good to crap ratio seems to be the same for MV's and AMV's. And the MV's at least have hot chicks shaking their asses.

In case I haven't said it clearly enough, I am not attacking AMV's as a genre, in fact I think they're a really neat idea. I haven't seen terribly much yet either, although I mentioned that several times. It just seems to me that AMV's are being made and watched for the sake of them being AMV's, if you get what I mean. It appears to me like people are saying "I want to make an AMV, whatever could I do?" and then throwing togehter stuff from their favorite anime, rather than thinking "This or that would be a really neat music video, how can I do it?" and then creating something that isn't garbage. I don't think this is the best time to give props, but in I wish I was a lesbian you can clearly see that you don't have to flash 2 scenes per second or more at the viewer to make the video fluid. Five of my stars, and I don't hand these out like candy.

Watch this... because it's an AMV!

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:08 am

arzuro wrote:It just seems to me that AMV's are being made and watched for the sake of them being AMV's, if you get what I mean. It appears to me like people are saying "I want to make an AMV, whatever could I do?" and then throwing togehter stuff from their favorite anime, rather than thinking "This or that would be a really neat music video, how can I do it?"

I don't think that's a good idea either, but if people do choose to do it, I also don't really see what the problem is.

There are some people here who are actually out to impress people with these things (oh my!), but I think it is safe to say that most people making vids here are doing it because it's something fun to do in spare time.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:10 am

Well trythil, if making AMV's was all just about having fun, then why are people hosting them, rating them and discussing them? It's not really valid to say "if you don't like this or that go ahead and do better at it". When was the last time you were served a lousy meal at a restaurant and when complained, were told by the chef "Yeah wiseguy, go learn to cook a better casserole"? When people talk about how much the newer Star Wars movies blow, do you tell them to go and reinvent special effects, write a practically new universe from scratch, and create a 7 Episode (or however many there are) Epic that makes more sense and has better transitions in the later episodes? I think not. It's jolly fine if you don't care much about my opinion, but it's pretty useless to go and try to convert me, especially as I certainly feel that I do have a point.

And did you ever notice how good book critics don't write any books?

AquaSky · Post by **AquaSky** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:21 am

Since you're so admittedly new to the scene, perhaps you should reserve judgement until you've seen a decent amount of videos from which to base such an opinion. Making generalizations about the entirety of AMVs after watching 10 or 20 would be like trying and disliking key lime and pecan pie, then proceeding to swear off all pie forever.
If after you've sampled the whole gamut, and you find that you still do not enjoy them, this community may not be the place for you. Using the baked goods analogy, if I hated all pie*, I would not go to the bakery and complain. I would find someplace that suited my tastes instead.

*Which probably isn't possible, because everyone loves pie.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:23 am

arzuro wrote:Well trythil, if making AMV's was all just about having fun, then why are people hosting them, rating them and discussing them?

Because people want to?

You seem to believe that there's this massive push to force AMVs onto the world. There is no such thing.

It's not really valid to say "if you don't like this or that go ahead and do better at it". When was the last time you were served a lousy meal at a restaurant and when complained, were told by the chef "Yeah wiseguy, go learn to cook a better casserole"?

See, there's the difference. I paid for that service, and as such, I expect something out of it.

With AMVs it's not the same: all that stuff is just -there-, and you are free to ignore or watch it as you wish. You can certainly ask people to improve by suggesting that they do certain things, but you have no reason to expect that they will do it.

Your posts give me the impression that you expect this, and I find that to be a terrific misunderstanding of just what this is all about. As such, my "put up or shut up" post, I think, is still entirely justified.

And did you ever notice how good book critics don't write any books?

No. I'm not sure what that has to do with your refusal to make what you want to see, though. That just seems like stubbornness.

If you want to actually be a critic, you're welcome to do so, but I do have to warn you that a lot of people just don't care. They're not out to please you; they're out to please themselves.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:28 am

arzuro wrote:When people talk about how much the newer Star Wars movies blow, do you tell them to go and reinvent special effects, write a practically new universe from scratch, and create a 7 Episode (or however many there are) Epic that makes more sense and has better transitions in the later episodes?

No, but I do point them to stuff like the recent Star Trek and Star Wars fan-made spoofs as examples of how people dissatisfied with original source material can create something to their liking using that source material.

The reason why I do that is because I like to show people how creative output isn't just limited to people with substantial financial backing.