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Post by DriftRoot » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:36 pm

pinky75910 wrote:Anyone ready to throw out specifics? Animes/musical combos? What does anyone have to want to work with?
Specifics largely depend on the person(s) who decide to initiate such a project. We can speculate all we want, but until you really sit down and think it all through, speculation is just opinion sharing without considering all aspects of the project Too many cooks spoil the stew, you know that saying? Um hmmm...

1. Someone (or several someones) need to first decide to tackle "AMV The Musical."
2. They get together and discuss the ramifications of such a project. This includes how, as an ME project, it should be organized, what musical will be used, how the songs will be divided up among editors, the AMV project technical specs and overall participation guidelines, among a lot of other issues that must be worked out before anyone says anything at the ORG.
3. An agreed-upon plan is finalized, scrutinized for potential problems, tweaked (if necessary) and a timeline created for the project itself.
4. Aquisition of songs, Web hosting of songs, dissemination of songs takes place.
5. The project is presented in the ME forum and the ball gets rolling.

Don't let this idea turn into a flop. Please.

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Post by Uanime5 » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:05 am

We would need to decide it we will be using just one musical or use several songs from different musicals. Also if we all use the full songs from the musical/s the AMV is likely to be over 100mb (over 700mb if we try to make an AMV using all of the songs from a musical), so we need to decide how large we want to make it.

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Post by DriftRoot » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:04 am

This was asked in a PM, and I said I'd post it here to clarify my idea a little.

By "veteran AMVer" I meant someone who would have a firm grasp on all the technical aspects of creating a multi-editor project. I certainly do not, and that's why I'd never be able to do something like this on my own. If I did have the technical know-how, I'd dive right in, but the learning curve is a little steep and I hate doing things half-ass.

Regarding The Musical itself, what I really had in mind was selecting one musical from American theatre that has a decent story to tell and whose songs are AMV-friendly (no opera...) and create a "show." Many people have used songs from musicals for their AMVs, but I would like to see something done as a collaborative effort with ONE musical. Namely, using various anime, we'd go through one musical production much as it would be seen on stage. It wouldn't so much be a mishmash of AMVs as a retelling of a known musical, starring anime characters and places. Regardless of whether the viewer is familiar with the stage production, the story could still be understand by watching The Musical.
I even considered something really radical like staging “Romeo & Juliet” using songs from various musicals that support the story, but I'd rather have the same voices singing the same songs for the sake of continuity. A conglomerate musical might better be left for a future project, after we've gotten our feet wet. :roll:

OK, I'm going to speculate even though I said it was a bad thing in the hopes that someone *glances at the ME Project forum* will become interested in such a project. Jeez, I'm such a hypocrite!

-Whatever musical is chosen, it should be compatible with a broad range of anime. “Phantom of the Opera” is fun …until you realize there are very few characters, one of whom is rarely seen (The Phantom), several of whom are annoying as hell and all of whom generally go on and on and on and on about their problems in operatic style. “Annie Get Your Gun,” is a great musical, but some people might find the songs old fashioned and the setting of the story a little difficult to recreate (a Wild West show is prominent). “Moulin Rouge,” let’s not go there. That is not a musical from the theatre.
The musical also shouldn’t be too big or complicated. “Les Miserables” has great songs, varied settings and characters and easily adapted storylines, but it’s also incredibly long and would require significant hacking to bring down to a manageable size.

-Insofar as cohesiveness is concerned, how the editing responsibilities are divided up would depend upon, first, how many people jumped on board, and second, the length of the songs. We don’t want burnout and I’d rather people take as small or large a chunk of work as they want. In other words, instead of having someone responsible for an entire song, it would be nice to offer smaller segments from each song, as many multi-editor projects do (although if someone wanted the whole song, they could sign up for it). The only stipulation might be that each song have the same anime in it, so that when those segments are combined, you’re not suddenly looking at Ranma and Mousse instead of Ed and Al. (Note: this switching anime in the middle of songs could be fun, but it might be distracting and self-defeating, particularly if the musical is not humorous in nature). Using one anime for the entire musical would be the ideal, but getting enough people together with quality source footage might be impossible. An informal survey of interest and qualified editors would need to be taken before one anime was decided upon, if any.

Hmm, what else…. Ah yes: The Rules. Yay rules.
1. Editors must adhere to the story line of the original musical. There will be no creative spins on the plot, new characters or jarring discrepancies in atmosphere.
2. No subtitles. Duh. Preferably no fansubs whatsoever, unless they are of exceedingly high quality.
3. The main characters must be clearly identified and remain consistent. If a role calls for a woman in her late teens/early 20’s, Faye can be used, but not [insert little girl anime character here]. Further, the characters they interact with must make sense. Faye is not going to be madly in love with Ein or [insert little boy anime character here]. Remember, the point is to make the musical coherent. There are AMVs all over the place that mess around with songs from musicals in amusing ways, but that is not the goal with this project.
4. Lip synching will be required for at least some part of each song/song segment. The more the better.

Feel free to discuss, criticize, compliment or toss your own ideas in.

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Post by Uanime5 » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:35 pm

As AMV Hell 3 was 700mb but was only 1 hour and 9 minutes long, a full length musical (2-4 hours long) will be much too large. Even if we just do the songs and nothing else, we will still have a size problem. While we could split the project into 2 or more 700mb AMVs and have an intermission between them, it would be better if we had a short musical.

Also if different people do different parts of the song we need to ensure they are using exactly the same characters eg in a duet we cannot have one person use Shinji and Asuka, while another uses Shinji and Rei.

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Post by Uanime5 » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:42 pm

Just realised that if different people use the same anime the quality may vary due to the source anime (video or DVD) and the editing program used (Microsoft can only make .wmv, quicktime makes .mov, DIVX makes .avi but puts its logo in the corner). Not only will it be hard to find a program that can combine all these different file types but also the variation in quality may be distracting.

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Post by Wylaff » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:58 am

As I said Monty Python's SPAMALOT (hour and a half musical touring broadway right now) and record of lodoss war. It's the perfect combo. :wink:

Cannibal: The Musical with any vampire anime

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The first 2 are humorous musicals, but they are also widly acclaimed and have won a lot of awards. So check them out, and see if they fit. Just throwing another view out there.
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Post by Uanime5 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:50 am

Is Spamalot's hour and a half length the length of all the songs or the length of the entire musical? In either case if we made an AMV of this it is likely to be over 700mb (too large to fit on a CD), so this may detract people. If we are going to do this we should aim to make something under an hour in length.

Also isn't 'Cannibal! The Musical' made by the same people who did South Park?

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Post by DriftRoot » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:58 am

The length is an issue, which is why the songs must be shortened. I'd think that, as long as the story progresses in a logical manner, songs can be cut down severely. The bridge between different AMVs wouldn't have to be abrupt, either, one song/AMV could, theoretically, flow into another by use of instrumentals only. I agree that the project needs to be as concise as possible.

Different people with different parts of the song would be required to stick with the same characters, but this pretty much follows the general "rules." If Ed from FMA is going to be the leading man and Faye from CB the leading woman, we want this to remain consistent within the song, or, if we use only one anime, within the entire musical. In the case of the former situation, this isn't really a problem, because if we keep the same anime for every song, then everyone will have access to the same characters.

Quality variations will occur in any multi-editor project, not much we can do about that. Again, I don't have the technical know-how to resolve this issue or even get a handle on all its ramifications, but hopefully someone does.

*makes note to check out Cannibal and Spamalot*

Oy.............. sudden incredible thought ............ how about The Rocky Horror Picture Show? :D :D :D :D :D :D Omg.... too funny...ROFL
/me votes for this, twice!! OMG can you IMAGINE all the fun we could have with THAT??

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Post by pinky75910 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:22 pm

Does it have to be Broadway musical? Just throwing out ideas here - but if you're looking for short. There's movie musicals and soundtracks, Disney movies, Buffy the Musical - which the whole thing is obviously one hour. Sometimes live performances are tricky.
Making an amv, is rather like being the director of a Broadway show, where you have a million dancers and each of them only knows one step.

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Post by DriftRoot » Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:51 pm

It does not have to be Broadway, but it does have to be theatre aka no Moulin Rouge, Disney, etc., because that quickly falls into a generic "movie with music" trap. Plus, I'd rather pull something from the stage onto the screen, not from one screen to another. Yes, I know the R.H.P. Show is a movie, but it was a musical first. Same with a lot of other musicals that are movies, in fact.

If there were more anime out there with Christmasy stuff, we could do "A Christmas Carol." There is a musical version of it (not necessarily the Muppet one).

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