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Post by Kai Stromler » Sun May 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Beowulf wrote:I mean we need a video that is so head an shoulders above everything else that it breaks a barrier everyone thought was there. Even if its imitated (and it will be), it will make everyone say "oh shit, we had better kick it up a notch". Thats all I want to happen. We haven't "kicked it up a notch" in quite some time and when we have its been very short lived and in the wrong direction.
At the risk of sounding like a 19th century patent inspector, I'm not sure that there's barriers left to break through -- or at least not within the scope of the site. If there are, what are they? What has not been done yet, and is worth doing? And, generally, if you can answer these questions, where is your video breaking these barriers? At this point, the technology is there to do basically anything you want to; technical barriers, given enough time and creativity, no longer exist.

I'll be glad if people laugh at me over this in five years, but I believe that the real reason that AMVs have not gone up another level lately is that we are running into the inherent limitations of "remix art". Our power to add stuff beyond what is in the original sources is very limited, as at a certain point it stops being an AMV and starts being original video-art. At that point, wherever it is, it falls outside the scope of this site and over onto newgrounds or deviantart or wherever the fuck those things go.

There will be videos that push the limitations of using other people's mostly-moving images and mostly other people's music in the future, but I do feel that the wall is very close, and the people who have the most incentive to push it will be working with exclusively their own materials, especially video, outside the current defines of this form.

If anyone out there disagrees, go ahead, make the video Beo wants, break that worthwhile barrier, and make me look dumb. :P :P

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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Sun May 14, 2006 9:17 pm

You seem to imply that people should actually care about creating something groundbreaking.

People challenge themselves in different ways. What might seem mediocre to you, is groundbreaking for them. It's a hobby. Most people want to have fun not set the bar.

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Post by Castor Troy » Sun May 14, 2006 9:35 pm

AtomX wrote:I nominate DEAD TO THE WORLD THE STORY OF THE ANTICHRIST FTW
Dead to the World II - The story of the AMV community.
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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Sun May 14, 2006 10:05 pm

It sounds like to me you're looking for a mass apeal to all the fans out there video.. IN all honsety I don't thing that's somethign that's needed nor in ours to control.

Frankly I feel that it's not a requirement to start getting desperate and trying to fit videos onto sone sort of popularity/"leadership" roll.. Frankly, the very good videos tend to come from creators who would never believe thier video would become so popular. It not something you manufacture, it just happens...

Frankly, let creators just go about thier hooby to create videos and let natural progrss take it course...

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Post by MCWagner » Sun May 14, 2006 10:10 pm

It seems less like a leader (or an ideal video, etc.) is needed, than a better sense of community. With the violent expansion of the community over the last five years or so, everything seems to have gotten too big and diffuse. I talk to the old-timers at conventions who have drifted out, and almost universally they say "oh, I haven't been back to the org in months... I just don't have the time anymore."

The hobby is so damn big, it seems like casual involvement isn't an option any more... and I think that's where the best inspiration comes from.
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Post by dokidoki » Sun May 14, 2006 10:36 pm

Otohiko wrote:There is a wonderful word "popsa" in Russian (derogative noun meaning "pop"), and "popsa" will always be at the top, because we live in a "popsa-driven" society. And with AMVs becoming way easier to produce (anyone can do it nowadays), the "popsa" content grows exponentially.
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Vlad wrote:let natural progrss take it course...
You mean natural selection.

I would comment further on the matter, but I am too busy creating my groundbreaking opus with the anime stylings of Mahoutsukai Sally and Big Wars.
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Post by Castor Troy » Sun May 14, 2006 10:59 pm

Beowulf needs to make a Naruto video. :roll:
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Post by badmartialarts » Sun May 14, 2006 10:59 pm

Innovation is possible but is usually recieved badly. People fear change. They accept evolution of ideas but not total paradigm shifts. In other words, expect more kooptangles before the end times. :O

Meanwhile I will continue to make videos to please myself. And if they don't please me, they will get deletified.
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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Sun May 14, 2006 11:31 pm

Otohiko wrote:Leaders are bad. Leaders encourage imitation, and imitation is the death of creativity.
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Kusoyaro: We don't need a leader. We need to SHUT UP. Make what you want to make, don't make you what you don't want to make. If neither of those applies to you, then you need to SHUT UP MORE.

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Post by Lyrs » Sun May 14, 2006 11:49 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Beowulf needs to make a Naruto video. :roll:
It will be the 1337 pwnage, the rebirth of the Great AMV Revolution!

Do it.
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