Old School editing vs seizuretiffic and effects

EvaFan · Post by **EvaFan** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:11 am

trythil wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:The anime has to match the song in some way either with beat sync or lyric sync. Preferably both.
Why?

Seems so limiting.

how is that limiting? IF your not syncing to the beat or lyrics then what the hell are you syncing to?

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:54 am

As long as I like it, I don´t matter wich style they used. I like all of them if they fit.

Personally I preffer 'Eye-Overflow'. Well I just call it that way. They´re amvs that have so much details in them that my eyes can´t follow the whole stuff and I need to watch them again. A good tool for it is the grunge or technique style.
Too bad that -Good for Nothing- hasn´t released his Connichi amv yet. It´s a good example. So just deal with BTB or something more simpel like 罪人の火傷 - Tsumibito no kashou even if I don´t like the flow and song. It´s just an example.

I also love effect videos that bring the amv to one style and "image". One of the best examples is for me F.E.A.R.

Iternal Sync with anime motion:
Breaking me down

otbwavelength · Post by **otbwavelength** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:26 am

Eva-Fan wrote:a massive post

I agree that beat sync/lyric sync is essential.

However, I disagree that synching as many sounds as possible to visual effects is bad ALL of the time.

IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, you can synch 300-400+ things in a 3-4 minute song (visually to the audio), without using a single bright flash or strobe effect.

You just have to be creative. Think about the flow of the music, think about if it's an intense moment, or a passive moment, or an erratic moment, so on.

Also think about what lyrics are being said, and how that all ties into the anime. That all matters, and if you manage to keep all of that in perspective, you can do it good.

Sometime (although i don't know when, honestly, i've got like, 8+ videos at this point i'm contracted for out towards Feb. 2008), i'm going to make a Bleach AMV set to this song, "Epidermis" by "Venetian Snares"... and i'm going to synch every single possible sound I can to the video, WHILE STILL HAVING a storyline to fit the video, without doing strobes, and doing effects besides just speed ups/scene changing...

...if you've heard thier music, you'll know why this is going to take a very, very long time. (Venetian Snares is breakcore; for the 2 or so minute song, expect over 800 sound-synchs, sometimes with over 15-20 in one second.) I've been planning this AMV out since the beginning of 2007 though, so trust me, it wont just be some thrown together garbage.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:51 am

Eva-Fan wrote:
trythil wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:The anime has to match the song in some way either with beat sync or lyric sync. Preferably both.
Why?

Seems so limiting.
how is that limiting? IF your not syncing to the beat or lyrics then what the hell are you syncing to?

why does a vid need sync?

otbwavelength · Post by **otbwavelength** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:06 am

Malificus wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:
trythil wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:The anime has to match the song in some way either with beat sync or lyric sync. Preferably both.
Why?

Seems so limiting.
how is that limiting? IF your not syncing to the beat or lyrics then what the hell are you syncing to?
why does a vid need sync?

What's the music video about then?

Beat-sync = Showing visual links to the audio's melodies/sounds/rhythms through effects, scene changes, etc.

Lyric-sync = Showing visual links to the audio's lyrics through effects, scene changes, etc.

If you don't have your music video have scenes that link up logically to the lyrics in the song, and/or you don't have it link up to any of the sounds in the song, having the music there would be pointless; it would just be playing alongside random clips and effects that have absolutely nothing to do with the music.

omegaevolution · Post by **omegaevolution** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:31 am

errr I'm sure this will sound simple but, if the AMV is entertaining to me then it doesn't matter what style (old school or 'whatever-new-style-out-there'), category or anime it uses.

and to the synch discussion above, some people have their ways to synch, some don't even synch and I have seen that work in some vids O.O (don't have any links atm though). But I have a beat fetish when I edit, I just NEED to synch all the beats I can

, either with effects, change of scenes, internal or action synch. Dunno if that makes me seizurific or not

. Oh and I thought the the lyric synch was just match what we see in the vid with what we hear in the song lyrics O.O, I think your description of Lyric synch is more for Lyric beat synch (dunno if this has another kind of name >.>)

Moonie · Post by **Moonie** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:52 am

omegaevolution wrote:errr I'm sure this will sound simple but, if the AMV is entertaining to me then it doesn't matter what style (old school or 'whatever-new-style-out-there'), category or anime it uses.

X2

lol I sometimes get a major beat fetish myself but I always try to keep things smooth though.
I've been doing it so long it just feels strange to not attack alot of beats sometimes. (which makes editing to a slow song hard sometimes >_<)
Don't think i've turned seizurific yet though

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:01 am

otbwavelength wrote:
Malificus wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:
trythil wrote:
Eva-Fan wrote:The anime has to match the song in some way either with beat sync or lyric sync. Preferably both.
Why?

Seems so limiting.
how is that limiting? IF your not syncing to the beat or lyrics then what the hell are you syncing to?
why does a vid need sync?
What's the music video about then?

Beat-sync = Showing visual links to the audio's melodies/sounds/rhythms through effects, scene changes, etc.

Lyric-sync = Showing visual links to the audio's lyrics through effects, scene changes, etc.

If you don't have your music video have scenes that link up logically to the lyrics in the song, and/or you don't have it link up to any of the sounds in the song, having the music there would be pointless; it would just be playing alongside random clips and effects that have absolutely nothing to do with the music.

OMGmoodWhat'sthatbatman? O:

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:33 am

It all really comes down to if something is executed properly. A lot of older videos were done when it was infeasible to edit well to a song that suggested lots of beat sync so it wasn't done. If that sort of shit is pulled now, it's the creator being lazy, not a general hardware limitation of the times. There are good videos and there are bad ones just like there's good art and bad art. An AMV that is poorly executed is bad, plain and simple - whether that means abandoning sync when the song suggests it, using too many effects, not timing things correctly, poor scene choice, or any other thing. There's a big problem with speaking in generalities (that's why people don't like stereotypes) - any video should belong to only itself and be judged on ALL of it's merits and flaws, not categories you'd put it in to.

Beast Spear · Post by **Beast Spear** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:44 am

I've never really liked effects much. Sometimes it's nice to have a little something, but "Eye candy videos" I find to be quite boring. I'd prefer some substance in the theme or idea of the AMV than just lots of effects, and the seizure inducing effects are...very annoying. When I have to close my eyes or turn away when watching something, that's pretty bad...

And if it's what most people prefer now...let them, you can't change their mind. But as proof by this topic, there are people who don't, so at least they can enjoy an old school video if it is released.