Anyone worried what RIAA's latest action will do to AMV's?

koronoru · Post by **koronoru** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:20 pm

DriftRoots wrote:I think the eventual solution would be some kind of encrypted software that's impossible to copy/rip.

I think a better solution would be for the world to change in such a way that artists can be paid without copying being limited. Anything else depends on a denial of the basic laws of nature - information is copyable, and that's a law of nature. I happen to think that it's a good thing that information can be copied, but whether I want it to be copyable or not isn't even the point. It is copyable. Deal with that.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:01 pm

encryption doesn't work T_T . . . ask M/A COM & General Instruments !!

they used the most valid 256k encription technic available in 1986 to make the Video Cypher Chip full-proof and we cracked it with a simple Commidore Vic-20 home computer! T_T

. . no . . . the answer is not a cryptic code . . . even a new set if Codec's will not do the trick!!

the answer is as simple as RAW and Compressed files ^________^
( i.e. . if you are a member, you get the Compressed file [ Divx Xvid Mpeg ] however if you are new or not trusted then you get stuck with the RAW file . . . size = ? )

but, that's me just being silly ^^ - hehe

DriftRoots · Post by **DriftRoots** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:15 am

Oh you guys know what I mean, I was talking about keeping most people out of the file-swapping business (meaning 4.5 billion out of the 6 billion humans on this planet), not everyone - that's impossible.

Here's a thought, along the lines of making the artists the direct beneficiaries of music funds: with this Internet age of ours, I can't believe CD releases whatever will be around much longer, all music etc. will be sold via the Web. In that case, perhaps if they know that 18 million people will download <blank> song, they'll charge more reasonable rates for music - after all, production costs would be slashed to pieces. I'd dl songs for 1-cent each, especially if there was no other way to get them.

Just think, we are living in the heyday of a file-swapping era that is no doubt soon to be lost forever! Our grandchildren will be aghast at the things we can get away with. Oy

"I remember when I was your age, we didn't have to pay for our music - all you needed was an Internet connection and a hd."

"Oh, grandma, no wonder they locked you up for 50 years - you were a member of a massive, worldwide unorganized crime syndicate!"

"Yes yes," *cackle.* "Those were the days. And I'd do it all over again in a minute. Screw the RIAA!"

*Feds storm the "Older Adults Home for World-Wide-Web Abusers".*

"Ma'am, independent thinking that gives today's youth hope for a free file-sharing world is in violation of your probation. You'll have to come with us."

*Grandma hits her computer's self-destruct button, then her life-support system*

"Violate this, suckers!"

Milliardo · Post by **Milliardo** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:54 am

Hehe... grannies are a rebellious sort.

I've got a solution for the RIAA. Make downloads available and free, but first make a deal with all of the CD manufacturers to increase the cost of a blank CD to $20. Sure some of us can break incription codes, but I don't think any of us can make our own CDs. Yes, the key is to control the hardware and not the information. They could also work out a deal to increase the prices of MP3 players so that even fewer of us can afford them, forcing us to settle for the over-priced CDs.

hmm... I should shut-up now.

koronoru · Post by **koronoru** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:02 am

"I remember when I was your age, there were things called record companies that expected us to pay them for music. They didn't make the original music. They made some copies of the music and sold those, but if we made our own copies, they expected us to pay them for those as well even though they had nothing to do with making them. Of course, that's when they weren't trying to send us to jail."

DriftRoots · Post by **DriftRoots** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:03 pm

We should probably pipe down with all these suggestions for how the music industry can grind file-sharing to a halt. No doubt there's agents among us.

ZeWrestler · Post by **ZeWrestler** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:39 pm

The RIAA has gone too far!

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:08 pm

Why not set up a Database of every song within the Music Industry Associations ownership, even very rare songs. Have them all encoded to a very clear standard (all by the same method of encoding and cleaning for every song). Create a proprietary file sharing software and player (giving users the option of using modified versions of WinAmp, Soniqe and others as their players) that would only play the songs (while other non approved players wouldn't be able to), in non proprietary players, or MP3 CD players, or decoders, annoying beeps would happen every now and then throughout the song.

Allow users to DL and listen to 50 songs per month (on the computer with proprietary software) And also offer subscriptions for $10/$20/$30 per month that would allow the user to DL a set # of songs in a normal mp3 format (hi quallity encode). Like 20 songs for $10, 50 songs for 20 dollars and 100 songs for 30 dollars. And for a fee of $5 anyone can DL an unlimited # of songs to listen to on their computer (with the proprietary software)

They could include ads from major corporations in their downloading software, since it would be legal (corps. like Pepsi, Coke, Nike, etc..) This could net a huge profit, while the cost to download a song and own it would be a mere $0.30-$0.50 for the individual downloader.

As it starts out, all the bandwidth for transfering would be at the expense of the music industry, but as more people get the music, the program would delegate as much bandwidth away from the central database to save costs to the music industry. Only songs that are rarely downloaded and new releases would cause any major bandwidth usage.

In fact, multiple music labels and associations could get together all of their songs, along with as many older songs as possible (lots of songs from the 50's to present along with recordings of performances of classical music) to fill the database. Make the program very simple and streamlined for older users, and make it skinable and customizable for younger computer users.

And while CD sales would ultimately drop, the savings from it would be on the part of the Record labels (lower production costs) They would still produce CD's because CD quallity audio will still be better than downloaded audio. They could make it very simple to order the CD to any song online. They would just need to accuratly estimate how many CD's to cut back by in the first year or two of operation.

koronoru · Post by **koronoru** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:26 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Why not set up a Database of every song within the Music Industry Associations ownership, even very rare songs. Have them all encoded to a very clear standard (all by the same method of encoding and cleaning for every song). Create a proprietary file sharing software and player (giving users the option of using modified versions of WinAmp, Soniqe and others as their players) that would only play the songs (while other non approved players wouldn't be able to), in non proprietary players, or MP3 CD players, or decoders, annoying beeps would happen every now and then throughout the song.

If an authorized decoder can play it properly, then an unauthorized decoder can play it properly.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:15 pm

The Houston Chronicle wrote:Nervous music file-swappers who worry they may be on the list of 871 people targeted by recording industry subpoenas now have a Web site where their fears can be allayed -- or confirmed.

The Electronic Freedom Foundation, a non-profit group that fights for personal and privacy rights in cyberspace, has set up a Web site that lets users of file-sharing services check to see if their screen names have been targeted for legal action by the Recording Industry Association of America.

According to information on the site, the data is gathered from electronic court records and may not be complete. The database is updated when new names are available....
source

* Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
* Site for checking screen names
* Some tips...

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