InGoW wrote:Fluxy I know that your post was addressed directly to Beo and I hope that you won't feel like being attacked but there are some things that I feel I just need to mention. No offense intended really, but there are just some parts of your post that made me think a lot.
Haha it would take a lot more to offend me. I replied mostly for beo's entertainment. I am sure he will be laughing when he reads my response. ... and now for your entertainment:
Fluxmeister wrote:Your own video Dead To the World is an example of you wanting to express yourself. If you made it with the intention of outdoing or earning bragging rights, congratulations you wasted a lot of time on something you don't truly believe in.Fortunately I do not believe that is the case.
... ouch you cut my comment out of context without the key final sentence in bold above ...
InGoW wrote:And what do you think comes closer to this kind of vision? What Beo is striving for or where we're currently at? What we're currently at is exactly what you don't seem to want to have. Nobody wants to have some kind of an AMV leader that tells everyone what to create and what not but if I look at the mass of AMVs that are getting released where I always see the same effects, the same songs used, the same animes used and the same ways of synching it just all comes down to the one resolution that a lot of people don't really act freely as in express themselves and their real own styles of editing. Instead, it's just a lot of copying things over and over again. Not that this is something new or wrong, it's just that we can't move on to any next step (as people already mentioned this is a normal process in any kind of hobby or art form). I mean, over the course of history there have always been people that didn't want to be freed from anything because they didn't feel oppressed.
Amazing how people mimic the things they like isn't it? "WE" can move on when "we" stop making the decision that "we" have to make what's
in and
cool. That is not the easiest leap to make. People enjoy being complimented. In your mind you have to make some critical decisions and balance this out. I prefer the times of thousands of options as opposed to a single pinnacle video to "defeat." The retarded days of Euphoria killers seem to be gone, instead filled with a variety of very unique videos. There is a real difference between how one person sees a video to be creative. Heaven forbid that a video be popular and in the top 10%. If the videos beo mentioned weren't in the top 10 and hadn't won a bunch of awards would he actually like them? Is this some kind of hate against popular videos? I do not know for a fact, but I know that some people do that with other forms of art.
InGoW wrote:A community without communication ain't no community. If Beo thinks that the Top 10 sucks he should have the freedom of speech to say it and to denounce the things that he doesn't like. Mostly what you're saying in your post is that art lies in the eye of the beholder but I just don't get why you're going for a "Stop trying to force things on people" statement, because I don't see any force coming from Beo. I see this more like a good political speech to underline what you or your party stands for, of course there needs to be some emotion and force behind your voice but it's not like all of those that are on Beos side including me are forced in any way to agree. Or that we are trying to force people, it's more like if your country would be going to ruins or in a bad political direction, would you just stand by and watch? Since you can't change what people want to do anyway? So yeah as you can see I do think that this can be compared a lot to politics as well as other hobbies such as sports and the real life in general.
Just as in politics there are things you can do that are a bit more constructive than only opening your mouth and complaining. Beo should make his own top 10% and say "this is what I believe in go forth, learn why I appreciate these videos, and why the top 10% on the 'org' sucks." I know I would read it because Beo and I actually have a lot of the same tastes when it comes to videos. There is always a lot of force behind Beo's comments. He believes what he says with a lot of passion. Sometimes I think it might come across more extreme depending on the wording...
Fluxmeister wrote:Look how creative an anime music video editor is... you combine other people's works together, cut them up, slap some filters and/or effects on... and redeliver the product.
InGoW wrote:I think that this is one of the main points. None of us could possibly draw any new footage or do real original animation, an entire studio is needed for this kind of thing. So about every member of the AMV community has come to the conclusion that this is just some fun hobby with not much of a great background behind it. The reality I say is that we have two of the most powerful tools in our hands to express ourselves. We got music and imaginery. We have the possibilites to choose from a whole bunch of series the exact one we want to use, and we can choose from an unlimited amount of music. Actually I think that you can express yourself faster, cheaper and with less effort through AMVs than through doing your own movies. So why not try it? I mean I rarely see AMVs having topics about AIDS, suicide, depressions, world hunger or peace on earth but it would be possible. You know, take some funny anime with some black guys in them and make it via effects a serious message about ghettos in america. It would be possible, and I'd love to see stuff like that because this must be some of the most mature things a teenager can possibly do without working for some company. Instead it's your own work, nobody helped you create it, you think it's more original what you do when you're working in an animation stuido? You get the drawing style from the one and only manga/anime artist to work with and start doing black and white frames together with 50 other people that do exactly the same stuff you do. I can't see that as being very original. Directing your own short movies is the only good alternative I could come up in my mind right now (mostly because of Machine's work).
My comment was not intended to put down those who want to make videos, but to make the point that we shouldn't be turning around and being so critical of the creativity of videos. The difficult question is... is it important to express yourself even if the expression may be a replication of something expressed before? ... or would it be better to not express yourself at all?
Why should we be asking people who make videos that look the same as every other to stop? It's not as though you are paying for this. The world is flooded with stupid crap that I don't like that I have to endure... and someone may feel the same way about the stupid crap I make. But the last thing I would want to do is lose the freedom to make stupid crap. It's my stupid crap and while you're welcome to whine and complain, don't even think about stopping me.
If you or anyone else wants to innovate and make something new... DO IT. Don't tell the community to do it, get off your ass and do it yourself.
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