The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

[Declan_Vee]

Well all of the AMV creators I've met in person have been great fun to be around and never was there a sense of eliteism. Granted I've only met four and yes they're all Australian. The only time any "I'm better than you" talk would happen. would be at a DDR tournament or similar event. Even then, it'd be light-hearted and meningless. Online, I don't notice much eliteism either. There is one person who seems to have a "tone" in their posts... (oddly enough it isn't jbone) I'm probably being paranoid or just tired.

Newbies I just leave alone. No, most forums I just leave alone. They are either dull, or completely irrelevent (to me anyway). Every now and then something interesting might come up (ie this thread). Most of the time I can't be bothered reading them, partially due to my slow connection and pages taking longer to load in recent days.

As for special seating at conventions... Booyah and myself have received permission to set up a giant bean-bag at AV con 2003 in the screening room/bar. So umm... I'm not sure if I'm the best person to talk to about such things.

[RadicalEd0]

It would seem as though slowly but surely something much worse than spam is invading the org...

[MistyCaldwell]

How could fiery debates be worse than boring and redundant spamming?

[Super Sapien]

Alright... Notice my low post count. Also notice that it doesn't matter in the slightest. I've been here for 10 months or so and there's a reason my post count is so low. Just to avoid crap like this. I realize this gives me no standing in the community, so its a good thing I don't give a rat's ass about standing.

Now personally... there isn't a single person in this 36000 member community I have a beef with. Not even a mild dislike.

After AWA was over, I started coming here and looking at one thread every other day or so, just out of curiosity, and lo and behold, all but one thread was filled with crap like "you st00pid n00b" and "you etlitist asshole." And that one thread was the one I made for my new video, so that's not saying much.

I'm not taking any sides on the issue, because that would be somewhat stupid on my part. I would, however, like to say that this is what I call "celebrity mentality." Before, I thought it was something that ran rampant only amongst the fans, but I now see that it is also represented in the creators that are low on the so-called totem pole. I'm not sure if it's jealousy or what, but it's utter crap. Having the pleasure to meet the people I was interested in meeting, I can safely say they are the nicest people I know, and most of them were these "celebrities." I'm obvoiusly a nobody, as you can plainly see, but they treated me no differently. On the other hand, there are a few people who are assholes, but I'm not pointing fingers because the finger-pointing would be innacurate, as I'm not around here enough to remember names.

I can unpoint a finger though, and I'm talking about Ermac. I didn't hang around him much, but I don't see what everyone's problem with him is. He was a pretty nice guy.

If these people are treated like celebrities, it's only because the general AMV community views them as such. They are normal, down-to-Earth guys, most of which don't WANT to be treated like celebrities. I know for a fact that Kusoyaro hates the idea of being viewed even as a skilled creator, much less a celebrity. He's modest, in my opinion more than he should be, but that's besides the point.

So what it really comes down to is, who cares? You don't want to deal with this stuff? Leave the forum. Or maybe take a break from it. You're not locked in here. Talk to the people you like on AIM or ICQ. Stop worring about who did what video to which Linkin Park song and who stole your footage. Stop worring about who won what award, and how they did so. It's not like they're winning Vipers and a million dollars in cash. Really, whoopdy doo.

That's about all I have to say on the subject. I realize most of you won't bother to read my post because I'm a "fuxx0red n00b st00pid-head," but I really don't care. In fact, I'm not even going to respond to arguments with this post, because personally, I'd like to walk around at conventions without worrying about who I should be avoiding. I want to meet everyone regardless of how many posts they have and how good their AMV's are.

[SarahtheBoring]

Hey I guessed the general anime series fandom, fanfiction, and amv making ones right. I've never done RPGing or been interested in FF...so What's my prize?

U2 the band - but see, that shows that it applies to maaany things. But hmm, what do I have here... *rummages around* A tiara made of origami'd manga pages!

This happens everywhere, it's most likely one of the attributes in human nature that stems from a need for leadership. In any community or group social animals want a leader or someone to model after. Sometimes it goes as far as hero worship. It would be nice if we all could get along but human nature doesn't work that way...ahh well.

True - I think it actually goes more smoothly when there are clear-cut leaders, as you have on some boards. Leaders, however, who won't exploit their position and, as I've seen, give favors or "power" to their favorites, blah blah. But that does make sense. A loose group is prone to power struggles. (And then there's the possibility of backlash, when people get the "the man's keepin' me down" attitude toward their peer-leaders, which is just irritating. )

We can always just agree to disagree and put the good amv maker and bad amv maker labels to rest. That should just about solve everything, saying that there is no degree of good or bad, simply experience.

It would indeed be nice.

Hooray for discussion. On the last couple of pages this thread isn't even flamey.

[Ashyukun]

*piku* Wow... this thread is just about a day old, is up to at least 8 pages, and already has more read hits than either of the two 'sticky' threads about hosting and how to make your first AMV.... And I'm about to wade into the middle of it. I can't wait to see just how far this has gone when I get back from this weekend...

Being relatively new to the 'org, and having not met any of the other creators (well, I believe I met Duane Johnson at AnAm a long time ago, but that was before I could even try and count myself as an AMV creator/editor/artist/wannabe), the only things I really have to go on are what happens here in the forums, and through the few opinions that are posted. I've been online long enough to realize that you can't expect people to be the same in type as they are in person, but I think it still reflects back on them quite a lot.

Frankly, I haven't seen a whole lot of what I would call 'elitism'. Maybe I've just not been around long enough to see it. I do see plenty of disagreements between people, and some people behaving as asses some times, but then occasionally being quite helpful and kind (no, I'm not thinking about anyone in particular- sorry). Just like I see people at work, and used to see people at school. The 'org is simply, as has been said before, a fairly accurate representation of human nature. Some people will think they're better than others. More people will likely think other people think they are better than others (the people who are thinking that, not the ones they're thinking about- OK, I've just confused myself...). Some people will act 1/5 their age, some's actions will make people think they're much older. Life goes on, and is quite often very entertaining.

I've generallly been fairly happy with my experiences here. Of course, none of my vids are online yet so I haven't had the chance for them to be picked apart, but I'm looking forward to being able to. About the only thing that I would say does occasionally annoy me is when someone basically flames a newbie for just being a newbie. And even that doesn't happen as often as it does other places. In general, in the forums specifically for asking for help (which is where I at least think most questions that aren't truly general should be asked) I've seen just about every question at least have an attempt made to answer it.

OK, as usual I think I've managed to make far less sense and be far less insightful than I started out intending to. But, I do like it here. There are almost always lively discussions, and there is always something new to learn.

[You choose Sam,the rest]

My 2 cents:

STFU

Thank you for your time, enjoy amv while it last....

[Flint the Dwarf]

I just need to clear this up right now...

I've been here for 10 months or so and there's a reason my post count is so low. Just to avoid crap like this. I realize this gives me no standing in the community, so its a good thing I don't give a rat's ass about standing.

Just note, if you see this, that a lot of the people that have replied, at least to this particular topic, don't care much about "standing" or post count. Your one post that I've read was logical and thought out and had good spelling. That alone makes your "standing" just as high as mine or anyone else's here. But what I mean, is that no matter what you posted then, I would be no higher than you and I sincerely believe that. And I think many others here believe that or something similar to it. This all ties to elitism and the whole problem here. So by saying that your post won't be read and blah blah blah isn't achieving anything other than making me want to post this.

Now on to another note, about the social 'leaders.' I totally agree with that. Truthfully, when I first came here, a few people stood out to me. I always found myself replying to their posts, usually in a positive or joking manner as if "getting them on my side." A few months later I realized that's kinda ridiculous and stopped doing that. At that time, I believed that if some of these "elite" members acknowledged me, my posts would be more widely read and more valid. I'm sure some others have done something similar, many others resorting to the whole "well if every other post is mine, no one can deny my 'influence' on the Org," which then creates spam. I prefer my method, much less annoying but ridiculous and pointless nonetheless. After those few months, I realized I'd rather be known for what I said than for who I reply to. So for nearly every post from then on, I've tried to be as like myself as possible because I don't want to be known as someone that isn't like me. So I've simply spoken my mind and let people make of it what they will.

I now believe that, as influential as some people may be, there are no social leaders and no elitists. We are all people, all fans of anime, and many of us are creators. Creators, taking two separate things and making something different though still using other peoples' ideas. That's not a bad thing though, seeing as how everything has been done before. Not literally, but you're unlikely to come up with something completely innovative and inspiring, however good your videos may be. The fact is, these videos will never define you as a person and I think a lot of people know that and acknowledge it. It is just fun, just entertainment, though it is rooted in art.

I know a lot, if not all, of this is basically restating what others have already said, but I'm trying to explain from my perspective as all of us just as people, creators or not.

[CaTaClYsM]

On a more serious note, the only thing that pisses me off more than watching a noob be flamed is when the flamers then later on complain about that very same behavior.


*cheers on Super Sapien and MCWagner*

[mckeed]

I for one find it interestng that the "elitest" people aren't really participating in this discussion except for ppl directly mentioned in someone else's post like Hsien. I belive that most of these ppl are seen as elite because many ppl think them to be so. I have been a member of this site for a long time and never really though of certain creators as elite. I personally am not the biggest fan of ermac's videos. I think they are well done technically and had good concepts, but they just don't do it for me.....except the speed racer vid and soul of an angel. But Back on topic. I was among the ppl at the AWA gatherings and was amoung what most ppl here would believe are the elitest members and guess what. No one thinks of themselves that way. Hsien's attitude is very common amoung the ceators I talked to at that gathering. The reason they aren't participating in this discussion is that they don't think of themselves as elite to begin with. Also I'm not even sure who these ppl aer supposed to be besides maybe one or two. No creator has said....'bow down before my l33tness' or anything. They make videos cause its fun for them and not to gain recognition. Yeah its nice when you win something, but you don't make videos to win contests. You make them to express yourself or to tell a story that needs to be told. I think at some point ppl have lost sight of that. They make vidoes cause its cool and want to show how great they are. This is the reason i didn't enter the pro contest this year even though i had finished my video before the deadline. I just sent it to expo cause i wanted ppl to see it and couldn't care less about winning an award. Celebrities are only celebrities cause ppl want something they have. The power, presitige, fame, cute supermodel girlfriend/boyfriend. If you don't pay them any attention guess what? They become burnt out child actors who get their 15 minutes and then vanish. I mean.....there have been a lot of what i call one-hit-wonder creators where they come up with a great idea and pull it off, but then procede to put togeather sub-standard videos in comparison after. It happens. Not every idea is a gem. I think this must be an west coast thing, but every creator that i've talked to at the cons has been nice to me even though i have no great prescense on this site and haven't produced anything really of note. Besides being friends with the famous/infamous jbone. I think ppl just need to sit down realize that this is just for fun and that its not worth getting so worked up over. Someone talks shit....leave him alone...when he realized that no one cares he will stop. Most of these elite members don't even really visit this board very much anyway cause of this mindless chit chat all the time. I personally vist general amv, general anime and the video help forums. There is too much garbage on the forum and i don't have time to browse every one. I talk to most ppl on aim instead. Just remember....if your not having fun doing this then you probally should find something else that makes you happy. Life's too short to waste on mindless arguments like this. I know i've wasted too much time allready even typing this, but i just wanted to give my perspective on things.

Oh yeah....who are the elite members? I would like to know myself....maybe someone can post a list or something so we know who you all are talking about.