VCA 2006 Final Vote results...

[Turbo]

Is there any way to see detailed statistic about voting process?

[PX32]

Yeah, but when you put up a formula without a reason behind it people won't see a reason to change anything about it. When they got what they wanted they're happy and they don't care about what people rant about the VCA results. (Especially when they don't have much influence)

That's why I always think that it's important to view the whole issue from a social perspective that everyone has to care about. Still, they won't. There are a whole bunch of sentences you can use for yourself to defend the way things are going in the community, as well as the way the world is developing. I'm affected by this because my whole country is going to ruins right now and nobody gives a damn about it because the media tells everyone to stay happy about it. It's the same principle going through everything.

As an example on that, picture the worst boygroup, the one you always hated the most, or the song that was on number one you hated the most. Now imagine why everyone loved it and why you hated it. The fans of a certain boygroup will never admit that it sucks at singing until they get prove by some playback errors at stage and stuff. Or when they grow out of it, you're into something until you turn 10. That's not the problem, the problem is that people stopped showing the kids that what they like sucks. And that even if they do, even if they try, the kids don't care anymore. When I was young I was watching turtles and reading spider-man, kids today start smoking at that age.

There are so many bad V for Vendetta reviews that I'm actually having doubts about the intelligence of a whole country. It's the same principle: "OMG I DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT EVERYTHINGS SO DEPRESSING AND I'D RATHER NOT SEE IT SO FUCK YOU GOTHIC"

That reminds me of some ways of thinking in the old germany after war when everyone was all like "Hitler wasn't that bad.", "I didn't do anything.", "We didn't know shit.". While everyone was just too afraid to get oneself an own opinion during war. Kind of scary for me to see this kind of attitude return and even influencing the AMV community when I look at how much attention some types of videos get while others are completely ignored just because some people tell others to. It's like a whole turn into another direction was made by some kind of leaders and everyone just followed blindly. But I DO feel that there is a lot of aggression building up in this forums and in this community right now. From time to time I see more and more good points being made and really nice attitudes. That's why I even bother posting stuff like that, there could be some people who won't just ignored it because it feels depressing and stuff and "DUDE WHERE ARE THE HAPPY SMILIES".

I always do that because of the different time zones, since america is 6 hours behind I'm never expecting any direct replies :3

Dude this is the most condensed shit you've ever wrote...and I use to agree to your opinion. Just an example..what do you know about the time of the 3rd Reich? Ever spoke to your grandparents? I want to see you in that time proclaiming your opinion...Have fun
Just only you saw V for Vendetta doesn't mean you have to play the anarchist.
Sorry man...but I never thought to read something like this from you.

Sorry for offtopic btw. >_>

In general I don't like the VCA results either, but it's the VCAs and not the elections for the world president.
I didn't vote and I don't really care about the results.

[Ingow]

Dude this is the most condensed shit you've ever wrote...and I use to agree to your opinion. Just an example..what do you know about the time of the 3rd Reich? Ever spoke to your grandparents? I want to see you in that time proclaiming your opinion...Have fun
Just only you saw V for Vendetta doesn't mean you have to play the anarchist.

Thanks for proving my point.

[bluetrain]

Yeah, but when you put up a formula without a reason behind it people won't see a reason to change anything about it. When they got what they wanted they're happy and they don't care about what people rant about the VCA results. (Especially when they don't have much influence)

True, i guess i really didn't think anyone would take it very seriously at all.

That's why I always think that it's important to view the whole issue from a social perspective that everyone has to care about. Still, they won't. There are a whole bunch of sentences you can use for yourself to defend the way things are going in the community, as well as the way the world is developing. I'm affected by this because my whole country is going to ruins right now and nobody gives a damn about it because the media tells everyone to stay happy about it. It's the same principle going through everything.

Y'know, i never ever thought this thread would turn into a social agenda discussion. I always worry when i discuss politics, society, science etc - because of my age i feel people don't care what i think. But i have two teachers as parents and i like to think i have a fairly broad general knowledge. I also guess i'm a little wierd and different from the rest - eg - people are watching; "when a stranger calls" - i'd much prefer an 'illuminati insight' or a drama. But i think you're on the right track, especially about the media. But i don't think its just germany that is going into ruins; looking at the entrie world, i can see plenty wrong - but the media tells us everything's going to be ok, because they get paid to. However its unfortunate that your country should be heading to ruins...again...And in history we've just been learning in depth about just that, in fact just before i was writing an essay on goebbel's propaganda..
However, its your idea of 'ruins' - that might be a little off. Everything mainstream is becoming larger and everything thats not, is simply being crushed. Its like one giant push for simplicity. And if you can see the change in even the things that you think would avoid such a standardization...then maybe we all have a problem. But on the other hand, i believe if you continue to think like; society is slowly being corrupted, minorities are getting smaller and the world is becoming a bad place... then you have the possibility of not enjoying life at all. (I try to keep a nice balance which i'm sure you do too.) but right now i'm not quite confident in voicing my opinion in general, not many people; A. care, B. listen, C. understand, or D. agree. Hell most of the time i feel i can't even safely voice my opinion in this entire forum without getting flamed... i was worried tonight and i was hoping it would end in discussion so i'm pretty happy with the results.

kids today start smoking at that age.

yeah, My girlfriend just came back from exchange from Schwerin. She said smoking was the worst thing about germany --- (apart from missing me! lol) --- I thought it was bad in Australia, well its more like a breath of fresh air here.. (just thought i'd pick that point out)

That reminds me of some ways of thinking in the old germany after war when everyone was all like "Hitler wasn't that bad.", "I didn't do anything.", "We didn't know shit.". While everyone was just too afraid to get oneself an own opinion during war. Kind of scary for me to see this kind of attitude return and even influencing the AMV community when I look at how much attention some types of videos get while others are completely ignored just because some people tell others to. It's like a whole turn into another direction was made by some kind of leaders and everyone just followed blindly. But I DO feel that there is a lot of aggression building up in this forums and in this community right now. From time to time I see more and more good points being made and really nice attitudes. That's why I even bother posting stuff like that, there could be some people who won't just ignored it because it feels depressing and stuff and "DUDE WHERE ARE THE HAPPY SMILIES".

That is a BIG call, comparing the AMV community in some ways to Post-Nazi germany... However i can see where you are coming from, howver i do not believe it is quite that extreme. I've been a member just over a year now, but that does not necessarily mean i have not been reading the forums here, i used to look around for Direct/Indirect link AMVs. And the forums generally told me what was just released etc. It also gave me a lot of inspiration to create my own AMVs which i started just before i became a member and consequently began; ***downloading the entire archive!!*** *evil laugh* ---

But the point is, I think i know what you mean about the aggression point. I think the banned music video links did not help that at all. I think its interesting that you notice such a thing in simple AMV discussion. Sadly; people do just follow. Thats how so many things in our past have turned bad. And i do say OUR past, because its everyones. People are People. I still find it amazing how we have barely learnt much. So many of us are just told exactly what to do by the Television, the newspapers and the magazines, its just almost pathetic.

I mean, if you look back at music evolution. When i was growing up music videos were well generally NOT sexually orientated, more of a cute/pretty form of expression; eg. Christina Aguilera's - Genie in a bottle - is a video i remember. But yeah, not many super-seedy videos were around then, and that was just over 5 years ago or something. Now when i look at 'video-hits' i see "THE PUSSYCATT DOLLS" has anyone ever seen anything MORE skanky in their life (apart from paris hilton) - but, wow and now just look how even Christina Aguilera has changed through times (and i'm not talking about those implants) - DIRRTY anyone remember that dirty slut-fest....Its terrible and when you see 13 y/o girls behaving like that in the school ground...And the teachers and parents wonder where its coming from... Just because there's no nudity in a video clip - doesn't mean its not sexual enough to make it restricted from children. And they all have G-ratings...

When i was in year 7 (aged 12) - just starting High-school, the biggest thing in the playground would be a couple kissing or someone smoked a cigarette down the back. Now when my sister is in year 8 she tells me of a year 7 pregnancy scare! PREGNANCY SCARES! For a 12 year old girl! and how even year 7's are getting drunk at parties... But this may seem a little off-topic from AMVs - it is/isn't. When you say that the times are a-changing. You can notice it here too.

I feel sorry for the person who releases their video on the same day as Koops releases his. If they posted a thread in the announcements section. Then wow... It shows that if you're popular regardless of what you've released they will always beat the not-so-popular. But that is to be expected. And of course i would go and check out Koops next video too, because, well, who wouldn't! But its not very good of me morally...and i might say "Yeh, i'll check it out afterwards" but chances are, i'll have forgotten after repeatedly watching Koop's latest work 14 times. Why? because so many people would've said "Wow, Koop has a new video, its totally the most amazing thing ever" - etc.
((please note that was just an example - please try to hold back from picking out the obviously stupid flaws))

Well that was long, *gomen* - i'm now in a discussion mood. hehe, time for sleep and homework.

[istiv]

wow wow !!

So many talks brought by VCAs

For being honest i knew that The Race could'nt win something as the song is not popular and repetitive, but it fited what i wanted to do so i don't care. And you can't win all the time (2 consecutive years should have been too much lol), that's part of the voting game

Even if i don't think Jihaku is his best video, i'm glad Tyler won video of the year, so the Title remains to France :p. And it's a sort a results of the popularity of his older videos, so his victory have sense for me.

I'm also glad that Suberunker won somethings, because his videos deserves to win prizes, i really like them.

And i'm just disspointed for me of course lol but also for Vlad, because A view to a Kill is really a good video, that should have won something.

Anyway, people don't think to hard, it was just a contest, then you'll all have one year to be ready for the next VCAs ... and see another french guy won (i'm joking :p).

[Ingow]

Y'know, i never ever thought this thread would turn into a social agenda discussion. I always worry when i discuss politics, society, science etc - because of my age i feel people don't care what i think. But i have two teachers as parents and i like to think i have a fairly broad general knowledge.

"We have [...] the right to disagree." - Falling Down Trailer

No matter how good your general knowledge is or how old you are, you are always allowed to voice your opinion. Those who stay silent are the one's doing the worst of the alternatives.

But i think you're on the right track, especially about the media. But i don't think its just germany that is going into ruins; looking at the entrie world, i can see plenty wrong - but the media tells us everything's going to be ok, because they get paid to. However its unfortunate that your country should be heading to ruins...again...And in history we've just been learning in depth about just that, in fact just before i was writing an essay on goebbel's propaganda..

This so called leraning process that comes from history often is nothing but propaganda itself. You say nazis are good, people believe. You say nazis are bad, people believe. But hey, didn't we just learn that that method was wrong...? Forcing the people on the right thing doesn't help shit. After a few weeks they'll interpret it in a ridiculous kind of way or forget about it and ignore it for the following years.

However, its your idea of 'ruins' - that might be a little off. Everything mainstream is becoming larger and everything thats not, is simply being crushed. Its like one giant push for simplicity. And if you can see the change in even the things that you think would avoid such a standardization...then maybe we all have a problem. But on the other hand, i believe if you continue to think like; society is slowly being corrupted, minorities are getting smaller and the world is becoming a bad place... then you have the possibility of not enjoying life at all. (I try to keep a nice balance which i'm sure you do too.)

That's what people don't get, this is not about ending life and humanity. It's just about some anime videos. I'm not getting frustrated about this stuff at all, I learned to live with it, I'm just saying that I don't like the results of the VCAs and I'm participating in the discussion that was being started through this topic. When I said ruins I wasn't talking about germany becoming a huge ghost town, it was more a metaphor for the way of thinking and about everyone losing their own opinion over media and what people tell them.

but right now i'm not quite confident in voicing my opinion in general, not many people; A. care, B. listen, C. understand, or D. agree. Hell most of the time i feel i can't even safely voice my opinion in this entire forum without getting flamed... i was worried tonight and i was hoping it would end in discussion so i'm pretty happy with the results.

This is the depressing part, and if you yourself and if others read that part of yours again you can clearly feel why I say that it's easier to go on the other side, where you don't get flamed because you just don't post about your views at all. But once you've done that you'll probably start believing your own lies, it's something that happened a lot throughout history.

yeah, My girlfriend just came back from exchange from Schwerin. She said smoking was the worst thing about germany

Well I guess she didn't see much from the alcohol abuse over here then heh =/

That is a BIG call, comparing the AMV community in some ways to Post-Nazi germany...

To you, yes and it should be. To me as a german, it shouldn't. It's what I meant by thanks for proving my point. How long are we as germans supposed to be afraid of our past and of mentioning the name Hitler? Shouldn't we somehow start worrying about our current situation? But all of them still go all "Stop offending" as you just saw it happen right here while it was just some stupid example. Why should I, as a german, censor my own examples in a discussion because it's something with nazis and shit? Someone could've picked out the boygroup example saying that boygroups rule but nobody did, that's the freaking point that's driving my country to hell. It's the same with people still blaming every american for vietnam and iraq, it's just that those guys are angry at the right people and not at themselves when they in personal may not have had anything to do with it.

But the point is, I think i know what you mean about the aggression point. I think the banned music video links did not help that at all. I think its interesting that you notice such a thing in simple AMV discussion. Sadly; people do just follow. Thats how so many things in our past have turned bad. And i do say OUR past, because its everyones. People are People. I still find it amazing how we have barely learnt much. So many of us are just told exactly what to do by the Television, the newspapers and the magazines, its just almost pathetic.

And that's only the media part, you gotta think that that's even as bad so that people listen more to the commercials before a political speech than to the speech itself. The worse part is that the parents, the family, friends and even people you meet daily on the street totally don't care about voicing their opinion to anything anymore. And when they do, they talk shit. Its the young boy that doesn't make room for the old lady on the bus AS WELL as the old lady trying to force her seat on the bus. Both are acting like assholes. That's what's changed, that everyone started behaving like that. So when everyone goes for their best, to get back to the AMV topic, we get a whole lot of videos that are just concentrated on getting as much attention, good opinions and star ratings as possible.

I mean, if you look back at music evolution. When i was growing up music videos were well generally NOT sexually orientated, more of a cute/pretty form of expression; eg. Christina Aguilera's - Genie in a bottle - is a video i remember. But yeah, not many super-seedy videos were around then, and that was just over 5 years ago or something. Now when i look at 'video-hits' i see "THE PUSSYCATT DOLLS" has anyone ever seen anything MORE skanky in their life (apart from paris hilton) - but, wow and now just look how even Christina Aguilera has changed through times (and i'm not talking about those implants) - DIRRTY anyone remember that dirty slut-fest....Its terrible and when you see 13 y/o girls behaving like that in the school ground...And the teachers and parents wonder where its coming from... Just because there's no nudity in a video clip - doesn't mean its not sexual enough to make it restricted from children. And they all have G-ratings...

Same principle, it just returns again and again. R.Kelly started out with I believe I can fly and has now turned into a gangster because you make more friends with it. Its not even about the money, its just about being able to live your life without ever being attacked or flamed by anyone. It's the easy way to live. By hiding in the mass.

When i was in year 7 (aged 12) - just starting High-school, the biggest thing in the playground would be a couple kissing or someone smoked a cigarette down the back. Now when my sister is in year 8 she tells me of a year 7 pregnancy scare! PREGNANCY SCARES! For a 12 year old girl! and how even year 7's are getting drunk at parties... But this may seem a little off-topic from AMVs - it is/isn't. When you say that the times are a-changing. You can notice it here too.

Everything's affecting everything. 12 year olds get pregnant - some people get pissed. They turn to the internet because they don't want to put up with the real trouble outside to hide themselves. They go to a community and hate or ignore everyone that's trying to bring real life back to them. Avoiding problems. Pretty logical.

I feel sorry for the person who releases their video on the same day as Koops releases his. If they posted a thread in the announcements section. Then wow... It shows that if you're popular regardless of what you've released they will always beat the not-so-popular. But that is to be expected. And of course i would go and check out Koops next video too, because, well, who wouldn't! But its not very good of me morally...and i might say "Yeh, i'll check it out afterwards" but chances are, i'll have forgotten after repeatedly watching Koop's latest work 14 times. Why? because so many people would've said "Wow, Koop has a new video, its totally the most amazing thing ever" - etc.
((please note that was just an example - please try to hold back from picking out the obviously stupid flaws))

The popularity issue is something that shouldn't be laid out as a thing that comes from the popular creators. Look at the main aspect: I go click on koops new work and like it. I click on the topic beneath it and it's some stupid WMV Naruto AMV that I hate. The chances on that have gone higher and higher by year, which is because more and more people need to hide in the internet because they don't want to get shot on the streets or fired by their bosses. So nowadays those left with enough brain to differ a good from a bad video have to stick with the big names and forget about checking on any new editors. Now when all the big names with their quality output do happy videos it means that happy videos are awesome now. So if we now consider that the humans from the very beginning were afraid of everything that was different we get why all the other good videos don't get anything anymore. Because they are different. So we can say that what we have here is an AMV discrimination based on social discrimination. Your classmates pick on you and you go to the internet to pick on other people.

Haha, I love that. And just to say this on the end of this post again: I'm bored, and all I'm doing is writing some stuff about some anime videos. I don't take this as serious as some people would like to think, actually I haven't voiced my personal opinion on all of this yet, still for me the facts are the facts. That is all I'm posting.

[Scintilla]

The problem with releasing a video right before VCA season is that you don't get the chance to have it appear at some big (mostly summer) conventions so that lots of people will see it and know it by when it's time to vote; you don't even get that much opportunity to have it spread via the 'net.
Meanwhile, if past VCAs are any indication, people forgetting about summer videos is not much of a problem.

Only example of a late-year-release video that won a bunch of VCAs that I can think of is 2004's "Whisper of the Beast"; somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[Willen]

It's just human nature. Just look at world history (and the history of the VCAs).

Now, back to my goal for VCA domination in 2007...

[thirdjukebox]

I have to agree with Frachan and Kusoyaro. Jihaku just wasn't that good. When I first watched it, I gave it a 3. When I watched it again after seeing it had won Video of the Year, I still kept the rating at a 3.

I am really sick of people thinking that just because a video has a huge amount of complicated special effects and uses multiple series, it must be a good video. His sequencing of the scenes of the video storyline, for the lack of a better word, to the song could have used a lot of improvement and that's an essential element in that type of video. There were times where it looked like he just put in random scenes for the current moment of the song. I'd also mention that it's not very original, but personally, I've never found the concept of "originality" very relevant to the actual skill level of an AMV.

This is worse than the VCA awards for 2005, because while I didn't think Shounen Bushidou was video of the year, I could see it as at least see it as being in the running for Video of the Year.

[angelx03]

And there you go! The thing about Jihaku is that is DIDN'T follow the usual one-way "spoon-fed" message of which I noticed lots of AMVs do. It's interpretive; pretty much I get a different impression each time I watch it. Basically I feel that video just creates the basic groundwork for viewers, and it's up to us to create our own interpretations. I believe that's how a collage works.

But, hey I'm not speaking on behalf of all the non-forum goers who voted for this. This is what I believe in. Your mileage may very as it has to some people.