Live-action vids by AMVers

Epical Zamora · Post by **Epical Zamora** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:35 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
Epical Zamora wrote:And on another note, my experience on this site tells me that people hate LAMVs. Why?
i think youre mistaking people disliking abuse of the servers/breaking the site rules with hating live action mvs... quite a few of the people i have met on this site actually like them and make them as well...

O.o

That's likely what I've encountered. There should be a seperate area of the site for LAMVs, besides this lone thread.

quadir · Post by **quadir** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:09 pm

Epical Zamora wrote:That's likely what I've encountered. There should be a seperate area of the site for LAMVs, besides this lone thread.

This thread is a companion to the newsletter article found at this location:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?aid=49

It allows us to look at L-A music videos as created by AMVers and how the format differs from anime, and how editing anime has effected their editing in the L-A space. This thread contains discussion and a comprehensive list of examples.

Like fall child points out, this is not liveactionmusicvideos.org, nor is it musicvideos.org. As such if you really want a more general discussion that does not include AMVs, take it to the donator's forum. This thread is public because it, along with the companion newsletter article, brings the discussion into a meta amv editing discussion and is "relevant to our interests".

godix · Post by **godix** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:30 pm

Denitro wrote:I don't get it. We're allowed to talk about live action vids? How come, since we're not allowed to talk about anything more than anime here? They even closed my Disney topic because of that. Well, I'm pretty much interested in other music videos as well, not just the anime ones. I thought I'll find them here, but prolly not... :?
I'm really disappointed in this forum. I have to tell you guys, YOUR RULES SUCK! Big time.

The site is more than slightly paranoid it will get sued. Having a thread around that specifically points out people violating the copyrights of one of the most sue happy companies in existence probably just isn't a good idea.

Besides, disneymusicvideos.org is available. If you want a site where people can post about the beast giving a cleveland steamer to Pocahontas done to Clarence Carter's Strokin' then go make it.

Autraya · Post by **Autraya** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:57 pm

godix wrote:If you want a site where people can post about the beast giving a cleveland steamer to Pocahontas done to Clarence Carter's Strokin' then go make it.

That's a visual I could have done without >.<

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:43 pm

quadir wrote:
Epical Zamora wrote:That's likely what I've encountered. There should be a seperate area of the site for LAMVs, besides this lone thread.
This thread is a companion to the newsletter article found at this location:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?aid=49

Well although I think that claiming this thread is a companion thread to the newsletter article, when the newsletter article was created at least 8-9 pages into the thread is kind of silly, I will actually put this thread on topic.

I disagree with the assertion in the article that LA videos require alot more work to synch them to the music and make them look good.

The article states that effects such as masking are not used in L-A videos would say to me that their implementation into AMVs requires the very timeconsuming and long hard fordist work of rotoscoping everything.

From what i can see of LA videos they mainly stick to jump cuts hard cuts and crossfades. When you compare that to the work that goes into some M@Ds, videos like BTB OMGSUPERHAPPYFUNVIDEOGO and Skittles it is obvious that much longer harder work went into those videos to synch them and make them look spectacular.

The ability to use effects or I guess the ability to integrate the effects easier facilitating and propagating their use, shows me that much more work is often put into AMVs (on a purely time consumption basis of course any other measurement is nearly impossible to take) then the much more simply put together LA videos ... Prod tends to make them in an haverage of what 4 hours Prod? Jessica? Whatever-your-name-is-now?

Anywho ... Thoughts?

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:36 pm

:3 i was thinking similar things, not to mention stuff like lipflap also doesn't get angst unless the entire video is nothing but people talking.. the crowds in the L-A circles are much easier to please as well :3

a live action video takes me just as long as an amv would take... it depends on how in depth i wanna go with effects, but I'm not really known for being an "effects editor" anyways.

Epical Zamora · Post by **Epical Zamora** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:29 pm

Thing is with live action though, when you tweak footage in any way, be it a minor thing like a speed adjustment or something major like a character mask, it's much more difficult to do, and the result won't look as good.

Being one who uses both anime and LA, I find LA to be more difficult. Simply the way it is shot and edited in the original source makes it harder to work around. LA movies tend to have more quick edits and such than animes do. So many times I've wanted a certain clip to go for just 5 frames more, but unlike an anime, where you can fix this problem with relative ease, it usually can't be done in a live action.

And as for Prod... he's just a machine.

Fall_Child42 · Post by **Fall_Child42** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:37 pm

Epical Zamora wrote:Thing is with live action though, when you tweak footage in any way, be it a minor thing like a speed adjustment or something major like a character mask, it's much more difficult to do, and the result won't look as good.

Being one who uses both anime and LA, I find LA to be more difficult. Simply the way it is shot and edited in the original source makes it harder to work around. LA movies tend to have more quick edits and such than animes do. So many times I've wanted a certain clip to go for just 5 frames more, but unlike an anime, where you can fix this problem with relative ease, it usually can't be done in a live action.

And as for Prod... he's just a machine.

Ahh but does Difficulty actually mean more work? I think not. Let's take Digging a Ditch (by hand), Vs making a small oil painting. Now Oils are very very difficult to work with, but as for actual labour, it's not that intensive ... many people do it for pure relaxation. On the other hand, Digging a ditch does not take a whole lot of skill, it's a realatively easy task, but much more work and time likely goes into it.

Epical Zamora · Post by **Epical Zamora** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:32 pm

...an interesting analogy. A more appropriate one might be AMVs are acrylics and LAMVs are oils. Since both are recreational you know. ;p

Unless you dig ditches for fun. =P Neither takes any actual labor, my point all along was that LA is just more difficult to work with.

Epical Zamora · Post by **Epical Zamora** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:12 pm

Sorry for the double post, but is it alright to put LAMVs in our catalogue as long as they're not hosted locally?