Why do people prefer time to the actual vid?

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Post by Ladymercury » Tue May 30, 2006 8:56 am

Well, I would like it if people read the creator's comments instead of pointing out something that was already stated in the comments.

ie:

There's two versions... a mpg and a mpeg2 version. mpg version sucks, mpeg2 version is DVD quality.

The Comment: The compression sucked

READ. PEOPLE. READ.

I sometimes take into consideration the time spent on an AMV. No one can really pull off a top notched, quality, AMV in under five hours unless they know all the tricks of the trade and have a hella fast computer that doesn't know the term 'limits'. If its a parody, yeah, I can accept three hours or so, but if its an action or drama I really am worried when I see " I MAED DIS N 2 HRS LOLZ PLZ COMMENT ITZ BETTR THAN MY 1ST 1 "

From my personal experience, no one can execute a 'good' AMV in under three hours. For my drama entry for the AFO AMV contest, I've spent four days on it and only finished 1:30 out of a 4:48 song... so yes, its not possible and I, sometimes, do take time spent into consideration.
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Post by Cornwiggle » Tue May 30, 2006 9:09 am

Ladymercury wrote:Well, I would like it if people read the creator's comments instead of pointing out something that was already stated in the comments.

ie:

There's two versions... a mpg and a mpeg2 version. mpg version sucks, mpeg2 version is DVD quality.

The Comment: The compression sucked

READ. PEOPLE. READ.

I sometimes take into consideration the time spent on an AMV. No one can really pull off a top notched, quality, AMV in under five hours unless they know all the tricks of the trade and have a hella fast computer that doesn't know the term 'limits'. If its a parody, yeah, I can accept three hours or so, but if its an action or drama I really am worried when I see " I MAED DIS N 2 HRS LOLZ PLZ COMMENT ITZ BETTR THAN MY 1ST 1 "

From my personal experience, no one can execute a 'good' AMV in under three hours. For my drama entry for the AFO AMV contest, I've spent four days on it and only finished 1:30 out of a 4:48 song... so yes, its not possible and I, sometimes, do take time spent into consideration.
It's funny, when you think "3 hours" you think of a long time, but when you sit down and start working time just starts flying. What I think of "short" is one day, 3 hours, there's no way I could do something that fast, it would drive me crazy.

My newest one I spent 2 days on total, 4 hours the first day and then about 5 the second, so about 9 hours. That's perfectly respectable to me.

I think one thing people don't like about the quick AMVs is when you make topics about them so people say "You posted 5 topics in a week!" or something.

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Post by Ladymercury » Tue May 30, 2006 9:17 am

Cornwiggle wrote:
Ladymercury wrote:Well, I would like it if people read the creator's comments instead of pointing out something that was already stated in the comments.

ie:

There's two versions... a mpg and a mpeg2 version. mpg version sucks, mpeg2 version is DVD quality.

The Comment: The compression sucked

READ. PEOPLE. READ.

I sometimes take into consideration the time spent on an AMV. No one can really pull off a top notched, quality, AMV in under five hours unless they know all the tricks of the trade and have a hella fast computer that doesn't know the term 'limits'. If its a parody, yeah, I can accept three hours or so, but if its an action or drama I really am worried when I see " I MAED DIS N 2 HRS LOLZ PLZ COMMENT ITZ BETTR THAN MY 1ST 1 "

From my personal experience, no one can execute a 'good' AMV in under three hours. For my drama entry for the AFO AMV contest, I've spent four days on it and only finished 1:30 out of a 4:48 song... so yes, its not possible and I, sometimes, do take time spent into consideration.
It's funny, when you think "3 hours" you think of a long time, but when you sit down and start working time just starts flying. What I think of "short" is one day, 3 hours, there's no way I could do something that fast, it would drive me crazy.
Hahaha, so true. When I started working, I was shocked that two hours went by and I had only laid down 30 seconds of footage, lol. I couldn't do a video that fast, because I'm so worried about missing effects or mistakes in transitioning, etc.
My newest one I spent 2 days on total, 4 hours the first day and then about 5 the second, so about 9 hours. That's perfectly respectable to me.
A days worth of effort or more I will take consideration in because effort was actually put in.
I think one thing people don't like about the quick AMVs is when you make topics about them so people say "You posted 5 topics in a week!" or something.
lol, I love that. I also love how the topic title is decorated. ~THIS IS MY FIRST AMV~ *PLEASE COMMENT* ^_^
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Post by JaddziaDax » Tue May 30, 2006 3:21 pm

Cornwiggle wrote:
Purge wrote:If however they're using the time thing to comment on a lack of originality or effort the point becomes very valid.
Not in some cases. There ARE people who do just throw together videos every day, but some people really get some good ideas and try to execute them in the best way possible. And doing that it really does only take 2 days, and even if they had 1 million years, they couldn't make it any better. They don't want a lot of effects.
but then its a simple video that doesnt take alot of effort...

it doesnt take as much effort as an effects video... its not a matter of "omg they put their heart into it but they didnt want effects"

thats fine, they can put their heart into it, but the fact of the matter is it takes more of an effort to make something fancier than it does to make something simple.

the only way i could see "the time taken" to effect ANY score it would be effort... someone who spent more time on a video, probably put more effort into it.

originality is a very "personal" topic i suppose and that would be up to whoevers scoring it.

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Post by Cornwiggle » Tue May 30, 2006 3:35 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote:
Purge wrote:If however they're using the time thing to comment on a lack of originality or effort the point becomes very valid.
Not in some cases. There ARE people who do just throw together videos every day, but some people really get some good ideas and try to execute them in the best way possible. And doing that it really does only take 2 days, and even if they had 1 million years, they couldn't make it any better. They don't want a lot of effects.
but then its a simple video that doesnt take alot of effort...

it doesnt take as much effort as an effects video... its not a matter of "omg they put their heart into it but they didnt want effects"

thats fine, they can put their heart into it, but the fact of the matter is it takes more of an effort to make something fancier than it does to make something simple.

the only way i could see "the time taken" to effect ANY score it would be effort... someone who spent more time on a video, probably put more effort into it.

originality is a very "personal" topic i suppose and that would be up to whoevers scoring it.
True. I've seen some people's profiles where they make like...the EXACT same video everyday and each comment is "another one"

Don't they think maybe...like 2 is enough? Haha.
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Post by Willen » Wed May 31, 2006 3:25 am

sayde wrote:Another thing I'd like to remind people of (since we're kind of on the topic), is that just because an amv does not contain a massive amount of effects, does not mean it took a short amount of time to put together. Often times, it could take awhile just to choose just the next clip to use. I remember once being stuck on clip for a good month before I suddenly figured out which scene to use next.
I find this to be the limiting factor in my making AMVs. I like have 2 AMV in my head, all mentally storyboarded but I'm missing 1 or 2 clips. For the only video I've actually completed, the final scene selection took a lot of thinking and re-watching a few episodes. In fact, one clip I used was originally from a next episode preview, but had lower quality video. So I used the actual episode footage that looked much better and re-constructed the clip.
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Re: Why do people prefer time to the actual vid?

Post by Flint the Dwarf » Wed May 31, 2006 10:02 pm

Cornwiggle wrote:This is annoying.

There are some people who seem to only care about how long it took you to make a vid, rather than the actual video itself.
Really? In my three years here, and few years watching AMVs prior, I don't think I've encountered one person who cared more about how long it took to make it. I find lots of people that don't know much about AMVs to ask that question almost right away, but I don't think they use it as an indication by which to measure the video's worth.
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Re: Why do people prefer time to the actual vid?

Post by Flint the Dwarf » Wed May 31, 2006 10:04 pm

And before anyone "corrects" me, I need to clarify...
Flint the Dwarf wrote:In my three years here
Should be "In my three years being a forum regular". :P
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Re: Why do people prefer time to the actual vid?

Post by SarahtheBoring » Wed May 31, 2006 10:10 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote: Really? In my three years here, and few years watching AMVs prior, I don't think I've encountered one person who cared more about how long it took to make it. I find lots of people that don't know much about AMVs to ask that question almost right away, but I don't think they use it as an indication by which to measure the video's worth.
x2. I've never run into this. About three years, and with editing times ranging from four hours to a year and a half. And my best-liked video (by others, not by me) took four days to make, which I plainly state in the video info IIRC.

Does this actually happen very often, or just a few times that really bothered you? Those are two different things. Both irritating in their own ways, but the problem and the response are different depending on which one it is. I see no systemic epidemic of bitching about editing time, personally. If that's a peeve of yours, then that's another issue.

I will, however, join in the pointing and laughing (as is the proper response) at people who comment without bothering to read the video info. If you skip it at first, fine, but if you're going to be a jackass afterward, it helps to back up and check your facts. The More You Know.

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Post by Otohiko » Wed May 31, 2006 10:10 pm

Meh, I make videos rather quickly. In fact there's only a couple of videos that didn't take me between 1-4 days (including my better-known ones).

On the other hand, I know editors who make videos for several months but only for a few minutes a day, whereas I've pulled as much as 20 hours in a stretch in AMVing before.

The effort is nice. The result is nicer, irrespective of the effort. What to argue about here? :roll:
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