AMV Review #8: 2007-05-07

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Post by Otohiko » Tue May 08, 2007 2:45 pm

Kitsuner wrote:
quadir wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:jasper-isis's Frost & Flames is a good example of a non-dance KS video (which premiered around the same time as Det-chan's).
lolwut

Frost & Flames isn't a non-dance video. It's a drama dance. I mean, jasper even said she made it because she wanted to do a dramatic DANCE video.
Yea, well, as Jasper would claim she indeed had no intention to do a very coherent story video nor even follow the song lyrically. That said, I think it came out a conceptually-strong video even regardless of that, mostly due to a very careful mood- and even color-oriented choice of scenes.

In Det-chan's video, I think the internal sync was the main driving factor behind scene choices. Which again I think is fine because it really focused on a 'bam!' type of sync to very fast, beat-heavy (rather than harmonically- or texturally-refined) music.
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Post by CrackTheSky » Tue May 08, 2007 3:02 pm

quadir wrote: I don't think creativity is so important that if you hear a song and see an anime and go "that fits so well together!" you should automatically think "crappy video".
Oh, I don't. Some of my favorite videos are those that just rehash the anime's story, such as norskotaku's Priceless or AtomX's Good Enough. There's nothing inherently wrong with videos like these, but there's nothing very original about them either, and originality is probably the most important thing for me when I watch videos. If they do something I've never seen before, that's what I like.

In this video, there was nothing that I haven't seen several times before, especially with Kaledio Star. Again, though, this is not a bad thing, as I genuinely enjoyed the editing style and was able to ignore the fact that the concept wasn't something new. I like the video very much, but as originality is an aspect of every video that must be graded, we have to face facts here: this AMV isn't anything terribly unique. That's all I'm saying really.
quadir wrote: Series context is a hard thing to argue. I've noticed the trend in AMVs is to discourage requiring series context, and the ultimate result is the 'various' videos.
And again, I agree. Kind of like what I say above, keeping a series within its context is not an inherently bad thing. Would Euphoria be any good if the footage used was Azumanga Daioh? No, certainly not. With every video you have to take the context of the anime into consideration, and this is no exception. But (and as jasper-isis's recent Kaleido Star video keeps coming up, I'll just use it) as Frost and Flames shows, you can still make something really interesting and different while not necessarily staying within the expected bounds of an anime conceptually (and I personally don't see the AMV as much of a dance video).

So basically, Det-chan's video meets the status quo in terms of story and concept. But I still think this is a well above-average video because the focus isn't meant to be ON the story, so it's okay. If Det-chan wants high scores in the originality category, however, she's going to have to do something different, as that's what it means to be original, and often the storyline of an AMV is the one of the easiest things to manipulate to do something new.

Kinda why I like making alternate storyline videos so much...

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Post by godix » Tue May 08, 2007 11:56 pm

quadir wrote:Series context is a hard thing to argue. I've noticed the trend in AMVs is to discourage requiring series context, and the ultimate result is the 'various' videos. If you look at other video communities, like vidding (doing videos to live action NA TV), it is very rare to find well done videos there which do not require series context.
I don't think it's that hard. There's basically three categories of series context. First is where the series is totally irrelevant to the video. Most multi-anime, many comedies, and the somewhat rare video where the person built their own story from scratch fall into this group. Second off is where seeing the series helps but isn't required to get the basic idea. Most videos on the org fall under this group. And finally is the ones where seeing the series is damned near required to get the video although those are somewhat rare.

This week video apparently falls into the second group which, for me, is a problem because it should have fallen into the first group. The attempts early on to make it relevant to the series ended up dragging the pacing down at the start. Most dance videos don't need any more context than 'hey look at these people move!' and suffer if more is added. There are exceptions of course but generally if there's even a hint of a story it's a detriment to dance vids. I mean lets face it, the DDR projects aren't known for their wonderful storytelling.
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Post by quadir » Wed May 09, 2007 7:42 am

godix wrote:Most dance videos don't need any more context than 'hey look at these people move!' and suffer if more is added.
At this point in the game if you're not even attempting to do SOMETHING more I'd say most people would discard your efforts. What's your angle? I imagine after having seen 345263623 dance videos that did what you suggest, even editors think "okay but how is my video going to be different?"

Maybe I'm reading too much into that.

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Post by Sub0 » Wed May 09, 2007 8:50 am

CrackTheSky wrote:
quadir wrote: I don't think creativity is so important that if you hear a song and see an anime and go "that fits so well together!" you should automatically think "crappy video".
Oh, I don't. Some of my favorite videos are those that just rehash the anime's story, such as norskotaku's Priceless or AtomX's Good Enough. There's nothing inherently wrong with videos like these...

the storyline of an AMV is the one of the easiest things to manipulate to do something new.

Kinda why I like making alternate storyline videos so much...
lol that's funny cuz I hate probably 95% of videos you bring up though our views on most amvs are the same...

I gave this high marks on originality btw. I felt that it was very effective.

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Post by Otohiko » Wed May 09, 2007 11:31 am

Sub0 wrote: I gave this high marks on originality btw. I felt that it was very effective.
Clarify?

I don't think effective execution = originality.
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Post by Det-chan » Wed May 09, 2007 11:50 am

Greggus1 wrote:Here is what, after a few viewings, I understood the storyline of the second half of the video to be : The love interest of the girl enters, and the two rivals fight for his attention. Then, a grand competition takes place. We then get a segment I LOVE, which is the presentation of the different contestants abilities and shows, set to the horn-heavy bridge. Main girl is intimidated at first, but overcomes her fear and breaks out. Love interest is blown away, happy end.

The story itself is nothing amazing, but the storytelling; the presentation, style and litlle details are things I appreciate, as a filmmaker, I guess. And no, I haven't seen the anime :)
Holly f***ing cow....actually you have the right idea there... :shock:
I'm sorry if the "story" (which really isn't the main focus but it's there ...somewhere... in the backround... ) didn't come throught.... but Greggus1, you are... well... a genius :lol: :lol:

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Post by JaddziaDax » Wed May 09, 2007 12:01 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Sub0 wrote: I gave this high marks on originality btw. I felt that it was very effective.
Clarify?

I don't think effective execution = originality.
you know for most people its

if i like it=high score on originality

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Post by Otohiko » Wed May 09, 2007 12:07 pm

Which brings me to why I hate the 'originality' criteria in the first place. I think it's both misunderstood and encourages "creative" dicking-around for the authors who look at feedback like this and decide that it's required to be all artsy. Whereas I think this video and others show that while originality is good, and can make your video stand out, for a good viewing it is still optional.
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Post by Sub0 » Wed May 09, 2007 12:53 pm

Otohiko wrote: I don't think effective execution = originality.
*sigh* well I do o.0. The very word originality in itself is incredibly moronic if you think about it (which nobody's OBVIOUSLY done...). I mean, take your typical definition. Originality has something to do with if it's done before. You get high points for if you engineer something different out of it?? Makes sense?? No... that is effort. If not how do you define effort???

IMO that is effort and like Katie said, if it's effective, if ya like it, if it DOES what it's supposed to do. Than I'd consider it original. Thus the phrase 'my! THAT'S original!!' I mean... obviously nobody's put much thought into the review system we'd put in place here since it's inception.

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