Could real music videos be any more badly edited?

Emotive · Post by **Emotive** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:57 pm

There are good videos where editing plays a damn high role, good videos where scenes do seem to matter the most though the editing still plays a high role, good videos where the scenes just matter the most and lots of other kinds of good videos - a good video doesn't have to be well-edited in the sense that an amv is. Actually, I'll mostly agree with Emong on that one. Only, when a terrible idea is followed by some terrible editing, we have a terrible result. Bad music videos do exist in big ammounts, it's just that they're not just bad because of the poor person that compiled the final product - because that stage of making a music video is all an amv is about but only 10% of what a real music video is about. And I'm giving it this percentage because the other stages are MUCH more important.

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:37 pm

Kevmaster wrote:Best Music Video ever.

Doncha just love sarcasm.

You WERE being sarcastic correct?

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:50 pm

They're simply a different beast all together. A lot of the time they're focusing on editing from a film point of view where synch and timing don't matter as much as performance, emotional timing, etc. There's really no good way to truly compare the two IMO.

Sukunai · Post by **Sukunai** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:00 pm

Michael Jackson - Scream, 7 million to prove he has more money than brains and can't even equal the worst Dragonball or Naruto trash

MADONNA - Die Another Day, or how to spend 6 million and not be worth the last spot on the top 10 here.

Madonna - Bedtime Story, 5 million so you can watch a washed up old woman that appears self absorbed illustrate she couldn't do worse intentionally.

Puff Daddy - Victory, 2.7 million and a good way to show the inner city that lousy poetry and lousy music can make you rich enough that you can waste 2.7 million on crap videos for rap music.

I don't think I need to continue on this list. It's fairly clear the average amv creator can by comparison easily outperform a major studio and a major artist, and with just a home computer, no budget, and a handful of assorted animes and average mainstream music selections.

If the above is worth the millions wasted on them, then I suppose that lifts the org's creations into the realm of the priceless works of art equal in many cases to the masters such as DaVinci and Michael Angelo.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:31 pm

I believe 30 seconds to mars - from yesterday is now the top spender, and well that video is rather lame so yea...

you can do awesome things on a low budget, but that depends on if you have someone with the right imagination :3

Emotive · Post by **Emotive** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:32 pm

Sukunai wrote:If the above is worth the millions wasted on them, then I suppose that lifts the org's creations into the realm of the priceless works of art equal in many cases to the masters such as DaVinci and Michael Angelo.

But the point remains - we're just using ready imported footage that we don't even have the rights to use and edit it together. We focus on the final composition of a video thus having become really good at it, but for real music videos what we do is just the small final stage of the whole preparation of the video.

Though I do agree that it doesn't have anything to do with how much money you spend and just how terrible videos that people pay so much money for can come out while such creative stuff can be made without much money.. How much money do you think was spent on this one? (It's the one Paranoir posted before I did

) This is one of the most amazing music videos ever and it's probably something really simple, which just makes it even more awesome.

So in conclusion and having given it a second thought, I'd say what people in that industry would need that we sometimes have and they rarely have, more than "editing skills" as we think we know them, is creativity.

jasper-isis · Post by **jasper-isis** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:19 pm

http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news ... e_invasion

$1 million + Pam Anderson + jumping across canyons + "and shit" = The Best Video, according to Kanye.

Read it for Justin's comment at the end.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:31 pm

AtomX wrote:They're simply a different beast all together. A lot of the time they're focusing on editing from a film point of view where synch and timing don't matter as much as performance, emotional timing, etc. There's really no good way to truly compare the two IMO.

There's also the entirely different motivation. We do our stuff for artistic or expressive reasons. The MTV-esque stuff, on the other hand, is all about promotion. That colors everything.

Kitsuner · Post by **Kitsuner** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:37 pm

Kalium wrote:
AtomX wrote:They're simply a different beast all together. A lot of the time they're focusing on editing from a film point of view where synch and timing don't matter as much as performance, emotional timing, etc. There's really no good way to truly compare the two IMO.
There's also the entirely different motivation. We do our stuff for artistic or expressive reasons. The MTV-esque stuff, on the other hand, is all about promotion. That colors everything.

Then why are so many of them in black and white?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:38 pm

Kitsuner wrote:
Kalium wrote:
AtomX wrote:They're simply a different beast all together. A lot of the time they're focusing on editing from a film point of view where synch and timing don't matter as much as performance, emotional timing, etc. There's really no good way to truly compare the two IMO.
There's also the entirely different motivation. We do our stuff for artistic or expressive reasons. The MTV-esque stuff, on the other hand, is all about promotion. That colors everything.
Then why are so many of them in black and white?

Fuck if I know, but I'm sure you could get a very long answer from a film student.