real quick question

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:51 am

I'm using Final Cut Pro for my job and while I really like it, there's quite a few things I'm not too fond of, especially format compatibility.

Premiere is pretty anal about formats and codecs and it only accepts certain ones. FCP is more friendly and can import stuff like huffy files, divx, and mp4s, but you gotta render them before you can even play them on the timeline. What's more annoying is when you apply an effect or even stretch out the clip, you gotta render it again. It doesn't take that long to do, but it can get annoying at times. I use DV encoded clips in FCP.

I'd go with premiere if you're just gonna do amvs.

FCP if you need to work with media management, logging and capturing, and compatibility with the rest of the Final Cut Studio suite like soundtrack, motion, livetype, etc.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:54 am

Premiere will take huffyuv files inside the mov container. You just get a program that can do that. It takes half a second, literally. Same with anything else perian can read. If perian can read it, just toss into .mov without reencoding, and badabing.

Subtle Sorrow · Post by **Subtle Sorrow** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:38 am

Real men don't edit. lol.

Nny · Post by **Nny** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:03 pm

Kionon wrote:
Hot Ice Hilda wrote:I'm already annoyed with final cut pro since I have to re-encode all the huffyuv's I've already made............
Uhm, why? You should just be able to change the container, but leave the encode alone. Hell, I never had an issue placing huffyuv avis in FCP, but even if I needed to change the container to mov, that's not an actual reencode, nothing gets reencoded.

What I'm doing right now to actually get them to show in FCP is opening them in quicktime and exporting them. I don't know if that's an actual "re-encode" or whatever, I don't care what the term is, what I care is that it's time consuming.

If there's a quicker way I'm missing I'd certainly like to know.

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kmv · Post by **kmv** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:30 pm

Kionon wrote:If perian can read it, just toss into .mov without reencoding

Just out of interest, which program do you use to copy the stream into a mov? I have had less than stellar results doing that with Avidemux, ffmpeg, and the like.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:29 pm

kmv wrote:
Kionon wrote:If perian can read it, just toss into .mov without reencoding
Just out of interest, which program do you use to copy the stream into a mov? I have had less than stellar results doing that with Avidemux, ffmpeg, and the like.

SimpleMovieX

I use it a lot. It has a nag in the unregistered version that can make it take a minute or two, but if you time it just right, it copies the stream over pretty much instantaneously.

My Shoop da Koop entry used copied streams in .mov, and it took no time at all.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:32 pm

Hot Ice Hilda wrote:
Kionon wrote:
Hot Ice Hilda wrote:I'm already annoyed with final cut pro since I have to re-encode all the huffyuv's I've already made............
Uhm, why? You should just be able to change the container, but leave the encode alone. Hell, I never had an issue placing huffyuv avis in FCP, but even if I needed to change the container to mov, that's not an actual reencode, nothing gets reencoded.
What I'm doing right now to actually get them to show in FCP is opening them in quicktime and exporting them. I don't know if that's an actual "re-encode" or whatever, I don't care what the term is, what I care is that it's time consuming.

If there's a quicker way I'm missing I'd certainly like to know.

See the above post.

And you should care about terminology. Re-encoding and simply copying a stream over are two very different things. If we are to help, we need to be absolutely sure of what you mean. Seems to me though, if it's time consuming, then you probably ARE re-encoding, when you shouldn't be.

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:27 pm

Kionon wrote:SimpleMovieX

Thanks for the pointer. I note that it exports into huffyuv too (via the "hinted" option).

In my case, it is probably of limited use as FCP will take an AVI, so I probably won't register it. But definitely a tool to have in the back pocket though.

Now, if only there was a way to get FCP to use huffyuv as an editing codec...

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:49 pm

Use mpeg streamclip to make dv files from your dvds. Works perfect in FCP without rendering.