The Attitudes Of AMV Creators...

Declan_Vee · Post by **Declan_Vee** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:56 am

This thread is still active?...

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Vegeta9427 · Post by **Vegeta9427** » Sun Oct 27, 2002 3:33 am

...I just make em cause it's fun...frustrating and fun

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:57 am

Kusoyaro wrote:
TommyRude wrote:According to ermac, the DDR group claims exclusive rights to make AMVs to all the mixes. ALL of them. They are booking this crap up to 5 years in advance!
I don't feel like getting into this argument, but I just want to clear something up. With all due respect to ErMaC, he has been on the project for only one year, and as a backup editor -- none of the organizers have said ANYTHING about claiming "exclusive rights" to the mixes. I think he was stating his own opinion, which, unfortunately, was incorrect. Quu and I had even been talking at Otakon, way before any of this shit went down, about doing up to 6th Mix and then stopping, and if someone else wants to pick it up after that, then good for them. There's even a private DDR project going on now using a completely different mix, and no one has any problem with it.

My primary concern has always editors such as Omnistrata (who I am NOT claiming to be better than, just so we get that cleared up right now), who started their 5th Mix tracks, but were then left without a project. I'm just glad it didn't drag on so long that he actually FINISHED his track, and had nowhere to send it. Because if he tried to send it to us, it would be unfair to turn him away, but it would also be unfair if we accepted him, since an editor who had worked hard for 3 years on our project might have wanted that track. I've stated this before, but people don't seem to be listening or understanding. If Kevin Caldwell himself had risen from the "dead" and wanted to start his own 5th Mix project, I would have told him the exact same thing. (sorry, I think he was good, but not a "god," but since many of you DO think of him that way, I thought it'd be a good contrasting example)

I don't particularly agree with what Spamda said, especially since I think 95% of my videos are utter crap and the other 5% are "okay," but I just don't feel like getting into that argument at this moment.

Ninja DJ Hsien, signing off.

Holy fack, he's NOT claming to be better than me? [yes, hell has frozen over.] I'm not claiming anything either cause you're a damn good editor and I'm glad to see that something I've done has affected someone. But still, I hope it's not as "negative" as that. I did the songs to the anime because one: I wanted to test myself as an editor through a series and two: I liked DDR so I made them. I wasn't told that I couldn't do them before because well, nobody cared for the "noob" editor that was me back then. (I still think I have much to learn, oh yes I do...) I have no intention of submitting ANY of my finished DDR tracks to ANY project as well. I know I'm late posting this but I needed something to read and BAM, a 14 page post of replies.

The DDR Project is fine without me. Some of my friend's who've seen the DDR Project say, "Damn Joe, you couldn't make it on that list?". I say, nope, that's invite only and I don't think I'm good enough yet. The reply, "but you've already made 4 songs using DDR music". I say, there are no "rules" in this. If they want to, I'd simply decline with the phrase, "the series was a test. nothing more, nothing less"

Thanks everyone for your continued support for Omni Strata Studios. Reach for the Skies PEOPLE!

^_^

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:36 pm

well, its all how you look at it.

view one: the good side
the people who make music videos are talented enough to do so with the little media given to them, not to mention the painstaking work involved with editing video after countless video. sure, they'll be mad from time to time, but that doesn't mean their work is just as bad. if they did a good job, thank them for it, usually that's enough to make their day.

view two: the true side
amv creators are forced to compensate for what they lack in their own individuality; the necessity to 'fit in' when all else has failed. the ability to create an amv is hardly an art anyway, you're recycling an already existant media into an already existant song. there is individuality generated therein, but altogether frustrates the creator by not providing the freedom to edit as their views see fit.

what do i think? most people are uptight jackasses who can't take a joke, let alone dish one out. it's not that they're mean, it's that they hate you. and your family. and your dog. they're this way because everytime they make an amv, it's like cutting up someone's artwork and rearranging it as you see fit. twice.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:46 pm

Kamoc wrote:view two: the true side
amv creators are forced to compensate for what they lack in their own individuality; the necessity to 'fit in' when all else has failed. the ability to create an amv is hardly an art anyway, you're recycling an already existant media into an already existant song. there is individuality generated therein, but altogether frustrates the creator by not providing the freedom to edit as their views see fit.

That's a load or rubbish right there. I've never let the perceived limitations of the source restrict my video creations. There's plenty of creators out there who actually do create original content. It may still be just fandom, but it's more than you give credit for.

Kamoc wrote:what do i think? most people are uptight jackasses who can't take a joke, let alone dish one out. it's not that they're mean, it's that they hate you. and your family. and your dog. they're this way because everytime they make an amv, it's like cutting up someone's artwork and rearranging it as you see fit. twice.

Who is the "you" here and who are the "they"? this paragraph, although an obvious troll, doesn't actually make sense..

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:02 pm

i think i pointed out that the people i'm talking about are the people i'm writing about; forgive me for not posting something so repetative/blatently obvious.

amv creators are at the will of the anime and the song they chose. it's not a matter of freedom to edit, it's a matter of director's choice. you have no freedom to pick which scenes will effect the viewer in which way, and the audio compensating therefor. it's frustrating, you know? besides, it's not an issue of 'fandom' either, making an amv is (for a great many) the ability to show off.

and i'd love to see some of these people who create their own music videos. that's true originality for you. i sure don't know of anyone on this board who does the same, but i'm willing to know. so sue me for not knowing.

FurryCurry · Post by **FurryCurry** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:25 pm

Actually, I wonder if I'd feel worse setting anime to my own music. That would create a whole new potential source of guilt, using other's footage to promote my OWN music, which I might someday profit from.

As it stands, using the combination of a song & one or more animes I like to promote both (I've bought anime & music that seemed interesting because of amv's) while not profiting from it (other than receiving praise for doing a good job) is personally more acceptable to me.

And regarding the matter of making editing choices, I think your assertion falls apart in the face of "various" type amv's. There's an insane amount of anime out there, and you can find pretty much any type of shot or subject matter you wish to, if you look hard enough. The real limitation is one's own ability to mix scenes creatively and get the intended message across, whether using one episode of one show, or 100 different shows.

$.02

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 1:31 pm

"you have no freedom to pick which scenes will effect the viewer in which way"

you aren't???

So, when I created a scene from scratch in Arima Shinjikun, drawing the characters and making them in photoshop I had no freedom? When I edit the music so that it has a different structure, even different lyrics, this is me being limited by the source?

Also, when people create videos using custom created 3D dancing bunnygirls, in what way are they limited by their source?

You're just incorrect.