I just have to know...

[Warlike Swans]

I've read a few fanfictions, but I'm not going to go and say that everyone in that community is a sick fuck, because I only read a few..

I'll say that!

Everyone in they fan-fiction community are sick disturbed individuals with poor writing ability and they also smell.

And I hear they hate puppies, the monsters!

[JaddziaDax]

I find it amusing that a lot of "don't generalize us based on a few people" is getting said when we are all sitting on our high horses pointing fingers and generalizing the "youtube amvers" based on the few people we have actually interacted with

We can generalize till the end of time but really how one reacts to crit is based mostly on their own personality and experiences.

[Taite]

I've read a few fanfictions, but I'm not going to go and say that everyone in that community is a sick fuck, because I only read a few..

I'll say that!

Everyone in they fan-fiction community are sick disturbed individuals with poor writing ability and they also smell.

Thanks, didn't want to look like a hypocrite

I find it amusing that a lot of "don't generalize us based on a few people" is getting said when we are all sitting on our high horses pointing fingers and generalizing the "youtube amvers" based on the few people we have actually interacted with

We can generalize till the end of time but really how one reacts to crit is based mostly on their own personality and experiences.

I've spent years on youtube and I feel pretty safe generalizing on this matter. We take it more seriously than people who are only on youtube, which is probably why criticism is disliked there. "I'm just having fun, I don't need anyone's help. It's my amv" is quite typical on youtube.
However, your second statement is of course true. Generalizing is generalizing.

[JaddziaDax]

I've spent years on youtube myself, in fact I remember that I found out about it because someone found my amv on there (way back before there were "youtube stars" and "official channels" and there were only 15 fruits basket amvs on it) and started emailing me So I think I have my fair say on the matter as well. Not to mention many people here are on youtube as well.

Still not everyone on youtube is like that, a good chunk of them are, but there are people here who have the same attitude about their videos here, they just might not be as vocal on the forums

[Pwolf]

I guess it's all perspective but youtube does foster to those who want instant positive social gratification. Which leads to people not being able to take criticism very easily. My personal belief is that if you can't handle criticism then don't post something publicly or allow people to make comments. While we, here at the org, like to promote good criticism (wither it's negative or positive), youtube doesn't really have that social standard. It's so big and the amv scene there is so spread out into smaller groups and individual editors. So, you'll see a lot more "bad" or generalized criticism (such has "OMG THAT WAS AMAZING" or "YOU SUCK"). You also run into cross contamination where people who don't necessarily like amvs or know what they are will comment and criticize. Here, we don't really have to worry about that. That said, I think a lot of people's experiences with the tube can be seen negatively (because it's not serious) just as easily as someone would see the org in a negative light (because we are too serious). And of course visa versa. It's all based on perspective and experience.

"I'm just having fun, I don't need anyone's help. It's my amv" is quite typical on youtube.

Honestly, I think there's nothing wrong with saying that (heck, I say that >.>). Just be sure you can justify it (and I can ).

[Taite]

Still not everyone on youtube is like that, a good chunk of them are

My point.

Honestly, I think there's nothing wrong with saying that (heck, I say that >.>). Just be sure you can justify it (and I can ).

No, definitely nothing wrong in saying that. What I meant is, when giving criticism on youtube, that's typically the response you get. I think probably 3/5 I've offered crit, that was the response I got, which makes sense, but it also makes a good excuse for not listening to any crit, which is where the "justifying it" comes into play.
I understand some people simply don't want it, and I get that completely since I don't seek criticism out for my own videos unless people want to give it, and people try to make it out that way, when really they just can't take it anyhow.

[BasharOfTheAges]

I find it amusing that a lot of "don't generalize us based on a few people" is getting said when we are all sitting on our high horses pointing fingers and generalizing the "youtube amvers" based on the few people we have actually interacted with

We can generalize till the end of time but really how one reacts to crit is based mostly on their own personality and experiences.

If people had used the word "all" you'd be 100% right in correcting them, but the omission of clauses like "many," "most," or "the vast majority of" when they can be safely assumed in context is a rather lame form of splitting hairs. Generalities don't include outliers - that's implicit in them being generalities. Being able to cite counter-examples isn't really saying anything substantive. Not picking on your quote or anything - this general "anti-stereotype" mentality just bogs down communication and language and is intellectually dishonest. When you're already narrowed down to subgroups of subgroups like this, people understand if you don't say "all" you don't mean "all" if they're not willfully ignorant or don't have a PC axe to grind.

[Fall_Child42]

Fanfic writers, all fan-fic writers, are bad and smelly.

Let me be clear for Bashar.

100% of fan-fic writers, every single last one.

The people that write 3000 pages of fiction to the cats that walk across a keyboard and accidentally write a character name.

Every last molecule in every last thing that writes fan-fiction is filled with a disgusting fluid that pours out onto the pages of any available media and crudely mimics human language. A grotesque parody of a story emerges that can only have emerged from a soulless horror and must be intended to make good people go mad.

Have I read every piece of fan fiction? No. But I can extrapolate this because I read a part of a fan-fiction once.

I think.

Accidentally.

[JaddziaDax]

If people had used the word "all" you'd be 100% right in correcting them, but the omission of clauses like "many," "most," or "the vast majority of" when they can be safely assumed in context is a rather lame form of splitting hairs.

The gist of what I've been reading here is "don't generalize us" "that sounds more like amvers on youtube" I didn't specifically read any "mosts" or "alls" so... yeah. I could be wrong since every time I've read a post in this thread I've been half awake which is how I usually read the org O: lol. (And that's why I used stick to copy and pasting answers on the tech threads for the longest time, till I got burnt out on it and decided to do something even more mundane instead.)

Also, for the record I'm not "correcting" I'm being amused by what I see as the general mood of this thread. . so...... yeah. *ahem* (I'm being a total ass )

Also: Pwolf is right, the format youtube has does foster such an attitude, it's not a good platform for giving any kind of crit, constructive or otherwise.

And I've had vast experiences with fanfic, they are either fairly well constructed porn (that ignores the design of the original source), or total piles of poo that smell of Twilight (which is also a pile of poo..). Troll fics make me laugh though

[Pwolf]

No, definitely nothing wrong in saying that. What I meant is, when giving criticism on youtube, that's typically the response you get. I think probably 3/5 I've offered crit, that was the response I got, which makes sense, but it also makes a good excuse for not listening to any crit, which is where the "justifying it" comes into play.

Right, its a defense mechanism in some cases to make those who provided negative criticism (but perhaps good), potentially leave them alone while those who provide positive criticism continue to feed their ego. They can't handle the negative criticism so they try to block it out by saying they are just having fun and don't want help. I generally believe if you're only having fun, you don't have to justify it by saying so. If negative criticism came my way while i was just having fun I think I'd be more open to it honestly. When I say that, I wouldn't tell people "i'm just having fun, I don't need help", I would say "thanks for the comments" and leave it at that. I don't need to justify to people that I'm just having fun because it doesn't involve anyone else outside of me. But thats how I look at it i guess.