Full fledged plagerism.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:48 pm

AD, i wasn't referring to your or any specific creators' videos. however, of all the videos i've seen through the past years, about half do not cite anime or music source in the video. regardless, my point isn't to detract from the severity of the actions graffix god took. i wanted to point out that there are many morally accepted creators who effectively steal credit by leaving out citation <strike>before</strike> since this has become a graffix god roast.

Jebadia wrote:Downwithpants did you realise your avatar is from that old win 95 game Ski Free. Where you go so far and then that tyranical, diabolical, and abominable snow man runs after yah and eats yah. Good lawd was he a fast sprinter.

make jumps so you land right before those rainbow colored bars. it increases your speed and the abominable snowman can't eat you while youre in the air. but then there's a second one that spawns and eats you when you hit a tree. or a rock. :/

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:51 pm

downwithpants wrote:
Jebadia wrote:Downwithpants did you realise your avatar is from that old win 95 game Ski Free. Where you go so far and then that tyranical, diabolical, and abominable snow man runs after yah and eats yah. Good lawd was he a fast sprinter.
make jumps so you land right before those rainbow colored bars. it increases your speed and the abominable snowman can't eat you while youre in the air. but then there's a second one that spawns and eats you when you hit a tree. or a rock. :/

I always made it to the 4th/5th snowman, it's great to see all of them on the screen at once.

O-Kagachi · Post by **O-Kagachi** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:56 pm

dont be going off topic now.

The Wired Knight · Post by **The Wired Knight** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:01 pm

Haha! I like how his evidence is merely what he wrote in his own profile. Please keep us updated on this, it's better than telivision.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:05 pm

downwithpants wrote:however, of all the videos i've seen through the past years, about half do not cite anime or music source in the video.

The issue isn't really with non-attribution of source as it is with non-attribution of work. Yes, it's unrealistic to not consider the efforts of the animators and musicians upon whom we, remoralike, depend, as "work", but the basic going assumption of AMV editing is that someone else created the visuals and the audio, and that the rearrangement, siting, and combination were done by the editor claiming credit. Within that context, it should be noted when exceptions are made, such as the use of original visuals, original audio, or someone else's editing work. graffix god didn't do this, and that's the extent to which it's lack of proper attribution.

The idea of someone claiming "ownership" or "creation" of the audio or video sources of their AMVs through non-attribution is laughable. But people do unfortunately claim that they have done work actually done by other people.

offtopic:
SkiFree dates back to Windows 3.1. If you have sufficient skillz, you can actually outrun the abominable snowmen and get back to the starting line, after which you are not pursued until you get down to the first snowman's trigger point again.
There's a movie out from the late seventies with Yvette Mimieaux called Snowbeast that is available on some of Brentwood's stupid-numbers-of-movies-in-a-box deals. It's basically SkiFree the Movie and is a great unintentionally-comic horror film.

--K

billy_wires · Post by **billy_wires** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:27 pm

Fluxmeister wrote:Hmm all this makes me wonder if maybe there should be a group of willing people who review new entires to help maintain a clean database ... and obviously this would be no small task...

Why don't you make a seperate thread about this and see if it's feazable. I would do it, and I know my brother would do it (brolly345), but we would need some sort of restrictions (like time of day :/) in order to be truely effective. Imagine if everyone lived in Washington DC, and all the videos that day came from Yugoslavia. That'd suck.

Yeah, but I think it's a good idea.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:28 pm

Kai Stromler wrote:The idea of someone claiming "ownership" or "creation" of the audio or video sources of their AMVs through non-attribution is laughable. But people do unfortunately claim that they have done work actually done by other people.

while it is understood among audiences familiar with amvs or anime that the creator claims credit only for edits to the sources -- and as such it would be far-fetched to imagine a creator falsely claiming creation of released anime -- the issue becomes nontrivial among audiences unfamiliar with amvs or anime. i know of a few people (including myself) who have been asked by non-anime fans whether they drew the anime in an AMV. when videos without source citation float around the internet, a creator can be falsely attributed credit for the anime source, and in some cases the music source, even though it is not the creator's intentions to do so. in this case, it does appear graffix god knowingly stole credit from other creators, which justifies punishment and scolding, but does not justify him being completely dehumanized. but then again this is an internet forum where nothing really means anything personal, so maybe i'm being a wet sock.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:48 pm

downwithpants wrote:when videos without source citation float around the internet, a creator can be falsely attributed credit for the anime source, and in some cases the music source, even though it is not the creator's intentions to do so.

Since we're only talking about videos hosted on the local server (paid for by members), we can make sure every video uploaded honestly cites the source of the footage and video. We have a new program that will delete vids that have fake/no anime, and I'm sure we'll delete ones with bad songs if they're brought to our attention. Since we have this controlled space (local server) we can also make sure proper credit for the 'work' is given.

I haven't seen anyone complaining about plagiarism found on p2p programs, just videos hosted on this website, on the member-bought local server.

downwithpants wrote:...does not justify him being completely dehumanized.

Agreed.

I did like hearing his responses, though. I find them similar to other people who've been caught plagiarising on this site. Admit a few, deny a few, no guilt whatsoever.

Hax · Post by **Hax** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:52 pm

interestingly enough, his "copyrighted profile image" is now down

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:53 pm

downwithpants wrote: i know of a few people (including myself) who have been asked by non-anime fans whether they drew the anime in an AMV.

This has happened to me as well. If it's a situation where you put in a creator credit or email address but don't cite sources, then hell yes, rain down the brimstone.

I could rant on for days about the tendency of people to place the creator above the creation -- as seen on paperback books where the author's name is in much larger type than the title -- but will not do so because it's offtopic and probably unnecessary to stir that bed of coals. However, the end result is situations like this, where someone is so desperate for recognition that they'll steal other people's work in order to put their name on top of something that doesn't suck.

Of course, I'm still against titles, even, so others are quite free to write my views on this topic off as some kind of AMV Kaczynski are free to do so.

--K