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Post by Hitori » Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:59 am

mexicanjunior wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:just cuz MJ requested this..


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fear :\
Now your talking my language! :O X 252456
HEHE!! :O

I'm trying to help out the community by doing those Free opinions in the Opinion Exchange Forum.... And it's catching on with more people doing free opinions! I do this to help the newer people who get into this community make their next video that much better if it needs that much improvement. Otherwise, I would tell them that they're going in the right direction and to keep at it! When they have problems, I point them out and show them how to fix it and what not. We need more people to actually help in doing this to make the community itself that much better! And again, it's all based on personal opinions! Atleast it's giving them some kind of direction for them to look into and improve! Please help the community by helping everyone! :D

*hugs for everyone*
And remember, I'm still doing the Free Opinion threads in the Opinion Exchange Forum!! Remember they're free!!! 8)
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Post by MistyCaldwell » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:02 am

I was one of those agricultural kids..-_-..well, I DO live in Ohio. Anyway, I used to raise and show rabbits for 10 years of my young life. Would you believe people who dress, primp and pretty up bunnies act the same way with elitist groups and newbies?? They wrote a book on rabbit and guinea pig standards I tell you! I still never figured out what perks could possibly be had from winning a national show rabbit competition. The bunny is eventually going to used for not much more than an ornament or for dinner. :roll:


It's true that where ever there is competition this stuff floats around. But while I applaud that someone is willing to say such things in a meaningful way, as I have seen this kind of taboo subject tends to lead to people walking away either when they see it happening to someone else, or it happens to them..sometimes even when it's just aired out like dirty laundry. Luckily it isn't as perverse in the amv community as it is in the lagamorpha community. :wink:


I try to be on the diplomatic edge of it all and this is the first time I have ever mentioned an opinion of it actually. I feel like sometimes respect and hero worship overlap. There are people who are accomplished and that others tend to aspire to. Sometimes when that person may get comfortable in that position and be insulted in ways they wouldn't if they hadn't been so well known and weren't made an example of. Of course this wouldn't happen if no one said such things as "This person is a god because they created the best amv I have ever seen". When I registered as my real name people attacked me for trying to pretend under a well known name...as if I should make up some pen name to enter and write under because that one was taken...I'm too old to call myself some anime character anymore ^_~

I think that could be a turning point and that person is under more scrutiny than before, their arrogance or simple defense could be taken as elitism. On the other hand, there are people who don't fit this at all who just act like an editing genius from the get go.

I had been watching this place for a while before I joined and don't notice a lot of acts of privlege, but when I do, it always caused a rift...as if an invisible mutual respect had been ruptured. They tend to be forgotten but not completely and some people seem to have left as to not get invloved, targeted, or become part of the mob themselves. There is no other answer than to just let it all go, but I just don't see that ever happening in any competitive field.
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Post by BogoSort » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:03 am

TommyRude wrote:Yo, wanna point somethin out to my good buddy Bogosort, then I'm gonna continue to stay 500 miles away from this topic.
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Wow, looks like I hit a nerve. I was not venting my ass. I prefer to call it talking out of my ass, as I haven't been paying as much attention to the topic as you obviously do. Then again, I just can't ignore a good flamewar sometimes, but I'm a weird one. I've got no vested interest in the DDR project, so this is just my opinion as a quasi-impartial observer. Which really means that I'm horribly biased and that no one in theor right mind should listen to me.

Using someone else's idea as the basis for a new idea is one thing. That's how Mortal Kombat, or Pump it Up were started. Directly stealing someone else's idea and basically taking credit for it as your own would be construed as wrong. What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix, because the company involved is taking too long to get up to those numbers. There's an important difference between imitation, and ripping off. I think that your intentions were to imitate, rather than rip off. However, intentions are not necessarily obvious, and thus many people percieved your goals to be simply ripping off the project.

You seem to sense this great injustice because the current DDR organizers would prefer it if you chose a different project. You can still do yours. You can probably even succeed in doing it. You'll probably have no end of headaches in getting people to send you tracks. Hell, even the current DDR organziers might get headachaes of their own when they try to decide whether to do 5th mix if you've already done it and done a good job on it. And then, you're on the other side of the fence. You're the one who has started something an then they'd be ripping off from you.

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Post by SpPANDA » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:03 am

BogoSort wrote:And it's funny that you bring up the concept for the video that I'm working on now. Cause the actual concept was to make a bad video that emphasizes many qualities that I think result for crappy amvs... to form the worst amv ever. Cause if it's one thing that I do know about my videos, is that they are all crap.
bastard! that's my idea! and i'll be damned to let you just steal that away from me!

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Post by BogoSort » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:09 am

MistyCaldwell wrote:When I registered as my real name people attacked me for trying to pretend under a well known name...as if I should make up some pen name to enter and write under because that one was taken...
Funny how you should mention that. I have to wonder how many people actually understand my alias. If they knew what it meant, then they'd know better than to pay any attention to what I say. In case anyone is really curious, one could visit my site http://www.bogosort.org. Of course, anyone in their right mind would just ignore me and never look at the site, but isn't that the point?

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Post by TommyRude » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:23 am

What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,
Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.

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Post by FurryCurry » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:32 am

TommyRude wrote:
What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,
Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.
Tommy, you're a really one of a kind guy. if you could just relax, and kick back, have a cigar, or joint with me or someone, it would all be good.

We like you. Really. Just mellow out, dude. put on your shinji shades, and just laugh out loud at the whole anime culture, while holding your middle finger in the air and chugging a beer

I SWEAR it'll all be a breeze after that.

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Post by BogoSort » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:46 am

TommyRude wrote:
What you're doing is akin to releasing your own Street Fighter 5 or DDR 10th mix,
Not so. The project had a different title an' neva' claimed to be the real deal. Again yo, y'neva pay attention.

An' is' not really a sense of injustice, so much as sittin' back an' saying to myself "Now who in the blue hell are they to say what we can an' can't or should an' shouldn't make videos outta?"
To anyone who realizes that there really are no limits to what we do, it seems really egotistical on their part.
I'd argue that it was you who wasn't paying attention. Calm down, take a deep breath and think for a bit. My point was that you were taking the exact idea, changing the name a little, and announcing it as its' own project. I'd argue that the title DDR Project Take 2 isn't really a new name, and makes no attempt at saying that this wouldn't be a version of the DDR amv that was organized by the same people.

There's a distinct difference between videos that we can make and videos that we should make. I certainly can make any video idea that comes to mind, even if it's a rip off of someone else's video. Now whether or not I should make this video is a completely different matter. I personally think that there are plenty of potential video ideas out there that one can make. And as a gesture of respect to someone(anyone) who makes a video, one should avoid making a video to the same idea, and move onto another idea that isn't a rip off. Course this is just my opinion on the matter.

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Post by Ikasu » Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:26 am

dude....That was good reading...I didn't read any of the reviews since I wanted to post but that has changed my entire view on amv's a bit...I didn't think myself higher or anything like that but when I read that it somewhat made me felt tingly inside...hahaah....=P

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Post by TommyRude » Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:47 am

Bog', how could I not be payin' attention? I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT YOU FREAKING IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDIOT!
NO I did NOT try to present it as an' official' DDR project. Get your info straight, or betta' yet, READ SOME OF THE FUCKING CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE PUBLIC AT THE TIME. Sheesh. Now y'jus pissin me off, cuz you' trying to tell ME how I did things. You were nowhere to be found when it went down, so why the fuck are you even talkin about it now? If Hsien wants to comment on how he saw shit, great. At least he was around for some of it. YOU are jus' some random forum goer who wants to suck some fanboy cock because he can't BARE the thought of someone tryin' to DO SOMETHING worthwhile in this fuckin stale-ass comunity.
Listen VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY carefully. I rebutted one of your comments, an' you responded by telling me what I did or was planning. Think about it, does that make a fuck of sense to you? If it does, then I pray they invent time travel some day so I can kick your mom in the stomack about 4 months before you were born because fuckin little wannabe Jonhy Cockren bitches like you are somethin' this world does NOT need more of.

(Sorry t'everyone else, but homeboy here struck a nerve wit his last stroke of uber-BS.)

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