The "Good" AMVs on this website

[OtakuMan22]

Dangit, why do I always confused non-sarcastic statements as sarcasm and sarcastic statements as genuine!?

Anyway, riddle me this, while a passion for anime and music is most likely what led to the first AMV, what do you suppose draws people to AMV contests?

Wouldn't you feel good if your vid won awards?

Oh, and correction:

"While not CONFINED to "publicity = judgement", that doesn't make it a part of what happens to vids submitted to the org."

SHOULD have read:

"While not CONFINED to "publicity = judgement", that doesn't mean that judgement/opinions are not an integral part of the org and is executed against all vids submitted to the board."

I'm trying to say that by making it public, you are inviting anyone and everyone to criticize and comment on your vid, whether it be good or bad. If you really don't care what people say, then why put it out there where people will know it exists and most likely comment on it?

It's good if you don't care what people think, but wouldn't it also be worthwhile TO care what people think? Wouldn't that help lead you, in one way or another, to make better vids?

Can you prove that?

The Annual AMV Users Choice Awards!

Umm...I make videos...to whatever series and songs I feel like...it's not based on popularity or anything like that, just the idea for the particular song and anime that comes to my mind. Of course, I always make sure no one else has done it before I do.

That's actually what I'm trying to emphasize this entire time!

I am under the belief that an original idea is likely to lead to a good vid as opposed to one that's been done to death. (Linkin Park/DBZ for example)

~Otaku-Man

[Corran]

-_- Forgot to hit submit earlier... *retypes*


These days my first video is almost an embarrassment to me. Why did I upload it? When I made it I thought it was pretty good. Granted really I didn't think it was good in the terms that it was great like some of the awesome videos on the site. I uploaded it because I wanted feedback so my next videos could be even better.

Would I still upload a video like that today? Chances are yes, though not for feedback/opinions. I would do it for the sake of completeness.

[Corran]

Anyway, riddle me this, while a passion for anime and music is most likely what led to the first AMV, what do you suppose draws people to AMV contests?

As weird as this may sound I did not make my first video because of an anime or a song and not even a contest. I wanted to make a video simply because I could.

[SnhKnives]

Who cares about originality anymore?

I just wanna make videos.

It's a bit strange though, the logic some people have.
They say they just make AMVs for their own enjoyment, because they like combining their favorite music with their favorite anime. But that doesn't explain why it's HERE, in front of thousands of people, to be judged. Obviously if you're going to make an AMV and put it on a-m-v.org, subject to ratings and opinions, you must have some sort of desire to please a crowd. That contradicts the original motive, doesn't it?

I think everyone wants as some level wants to know what people think about what they have created. even if it "unoriginal" or whatever. Who cares, nothing is "original" anymore. Someone has done everything in one form or another. If I make a DBZ Linkin Park video, why is it bad to want to show it to people? Maybe I won't post it on the announcement thread, maybe I will. The idea is that just because people make videos for their own personal enjoyment, why is that all of a sudden directly proportional to the level at which they want people to see it?

I may make a video that was totally fun to edit, used an anime/song combination that I enjoy, edited just the way I like it. but does that mean if i show it to people, that all of a sudden ive edited it soley for the purpose of recognition and popularity?

[trythil]

I'm trying to say that by making it public, you are inviting anyone and everyone to criticize and comment on your vid, whether it be good or bad. If you really don't care what people say, then why put it out there where people will know it exists and most likely comment on it?

Sharing.

It's good if you don't care what people think, but wouldn't it also be worthwhile TO care what people think? Wouldn't that help lead you, in one way or another, to make better vids?

1) No, because I have real things to worry about.
2) I take what advice I think is worthwhile.

Can you prove that?

The Annual AMV Users Choice Awards!

That says nothing about the growth in number of creators...

[Knowname]

As for the music, it doesn't bother me as much. But it's always the same Linkin Park, Evanescense (sorry folks, but that's NOT real Goth Rock), some psuedo-metal, etc. Looks like some people need to get out of the house more.

There was another thread about this, and I have to agree that AMV makers need a more diverse range of music. I see it as a two-part problem:

1) The AMV maker is very well schooled in anime and decides to make an AMV using an anime that's good, but not often watched or seen. They think it's good, and it is good too. BUT THEY KNOW SQUAT ABOUT MUSIC! They take their MTV (the supposed "source" for good music) stuff and try and put it together to a vid. Since the music is so overdone, the vid comes out bad!

2) The musically talented person may know music history by heart, and can list albums and the songs on them without batting an eye. They want to express their love of music and anime by meshing the two into an AMV. BUT THEY DON'T KNOW MANY ANIME! They take their Cartoon Network and Adult Swim sources, and mesh them together into a vid that can come out good, but because the show is so overdone, it often gets ignored because it's just "another DBZ vid", even if it's the best vid ever with DBZ!


The real skill is to have a knowledge and mastery of both music AND anime to create the really great vids. I remember Kevin Caldwell (considered one of the greatest AMV makers of all time) did the William Tell Overture to Child's Toy. Child's Toy was not released in the US, so it would have been considered rare at the time, and the music was CLASSICAL MUSIC! Practically NOBODY had used classical music before!

But he put them together, edited them, and it WORKED! It worked so well, that even non-members of the org can watch it because it is considered a PRIME example of good AMV making.


So how to stop the influx of new and bad videos?

1) Be helpful on the forums. Answer people's questions and give advice. As long as your nice, some people will actually listen and you'll walk away feeling happy that you helped someone.

2) Leave an opinion for a vid, ESPECIALLY if it has less than 10 opinions. Even if the vid is bad, constructive crticism helps. You might get a reply back from the AMV creator thanking you for your criticism and promises to make a better vid next time, or re-do the vid they made (always allowed!)

3) Share! Always share your knowledge, your wisdom, advice, and especially links to OTHER sources of information. It will help people out greatly.

I've been here for a while now, and I've seen some people from here and abroad thank me for some of the things I've said. Granted it's not all the time, but when it happens, it gives me a sense of satisfaction for staying here on the boards. Makes it all worthwhile, ya' know?

It has even inspired me to try and publish in a weblog or through an online magazine some of my discoveries and advice so that it can be more widely read and recognized and useful.

You never know who might thank you!

~Otaku-Man

What bugs me is that the better amv makers seem to be stuck on the more mediocre music artists like Frau Frau (or even Weird Al). I mean seriously folks.... THEIR NOT ON THE RADIO FOR A REASON! It's one thing to use a song becase you DO really think it's a great tune, but so many ppl put down pop and rap and mainstream rock before even listening to them?? No idea why... probly because their popular... maybe cuz they've heard the song slaughtered a million times in Jimmey Fallon sketches. NO people! These songs are ACTUALLY good, if you want your vid to be good, why purposeley use a mediocre song?! Not trying to spur a pop revolution but sometimes Micheal Jackson can make good songs you know... I mean seriously... it just seems we disregard the radio or mtv when putting it down! In an unbiased world it wouldn't be that way you see.

[SuperFusion]

i like NSync's "Pop" song

[Scintilla]

What bugs me is that the better amv makers seem to be stuck on the more mediocre music artists like Frau Frau (or even Weird Al).

That, sir, is a matter of taste. And stuck on Frou Frou? How many Frou Frou videos are there out there anyway?

I mean seriously folks.... THEIR NOT ON THE RADIO FOR A REASON! It's one thing to use a song becase you DO really think it's a great tune, but so many ppl put down pop and rap and mainstream rock before even listening to them??

Do you <i>really</i> think that some people here use the music they do just for the sake of being obscure? And do you <i>really</i> think that people dismiss what's on the radio without actually listening to it first?
Neither of these makes sense to me.

Personally, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of the videos here use the songs they do because either (1) the creators really DIDN'T think they were "mediocre", or (2) they had really good ideas for the song/anime combo that had nothing to do with how good the songs were.

[dokool]

What bugs me is that the better amv makers seem to be stuck on the more mediocre music artists like Frau Frau (or even Weird Al). I mean seriously folks.... THEIR NOT ON THE RADIO FOR A REASON!

Considering that the majority of radio is owned by one corporation (Clear Channel), what plays on the radio is in no way indicative of what's actually good.

What if Frou Frou got airplay on a lot of college stations (which it probably did)? Does that make it better or worse than the latest pop-punk-rock band getting airplay on the regional Top 40 station? I listen to Industrial, and the only time I've heard it on the radio is when my friend spun at his university's station. Airplay is no indication of actual talent.

And Weird Al is a <i>god</i> compared to what gets played on MTV most of the time.

[Corran: Flames removed]

[didrox]

first of off i totaly agree with this guy: OtakuMan22. the "GOOD" AMV makers should help the noobs .this way better AMVs will rise from both noobs and "GOOD" AMV makers , due to better competition .

Also as far as popular and un-popular animes goes. Some animes are widespread :DBZ, Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, etc . these animes people heard of so naturaly there will be more AMVs consisting of those anime . Now , rare unheard-of animes like those mentioned by Earl6282 and other members , i never heard of. and i bet very few members heard about it as well . So its simple to see the real problem , not many people go searching for something when they dont know what their looking far (as far as AMVs go at least) so if you want to see those animes made into AMVs you got to advertise for them yourself. like someone said the more popular the anime the more AMVs on them.

And as far as a AMV beeing crappy or something . this chick J. ALANA or something like that broght up a good point in one of our conversation . even if you know its crappy there is at least one person out there who will think its awesome ( law of probability )

Im sure that as soon as CN or some other popular station starts airing some unread-of-anime more AMVs will arise from those animes. like when MTV aired that show on the android with the litle guy in the future with the personality and his nake was like j 90210 or something like that. even i wanted to do an AMV on that.

Also some vids are very good . they are just unhead of . like : harvey danger- flagpole sita (or something like that) on bebop . and blink 182- reckless abandon and so on.how many members actualy stumble to a awesome vid and go around making posts about it ? if the vid was unbelivable-breathtaking-life-chaging im sure it would get noticed the problem is that i find it imposible for a vid to be that way . its like looking to lose wight on the big mac diet .

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