Why is "art" a dirty word?

[HungryCrackPot]

"inrelavent"?
Is that anything like Symbology?
You are a fucking idiot.
(psst, it's "irrelevant")
Now, next, you can't sit there and actually tell someone that something they see as art is not art, because art is an all encompassing media. You can use anything to create art, and from any source. The fact that you are trying to downplay fanart as sub-art is just dumb. It is still art. You, nor anyone else alive or dead has the right to label what is and is not art. Art is in the eye of the one who created it and the ones that percieve it as such.
imphill, you are a fucking moron.

[Niotex]

Art is art if it has a meaning... Hell just cause i dont think that a piece of stone is art dosnt mean that it isnt so... Only thing that i dont call art is something that was created without a feeling, emotion and/or own meaning for the creator...

If i put a line on a piece of paper and i do it with emotion and i work my way trough it with feeling it becomes art to some extent.

Basicly this is just a quastion that will never be awnserd beo cause some people find cutting edge filters and masks more art then a clean cut or non filter video. that is if they even consider it art.

Its all down to the viewers and creators judgement. I dont go around and call my video's art the only thing i can call art for myself is my slipping away video cause i put emotion into that video and it helped me get trough a very hard time when making that.

Art = Emotion
Emotion = Accepted/Declined
Accepted/Declined = Judgement
Judgement = People
People = Allot of thoughts/Idea's/Opinion about something

Its a paradox even though i havent ilustrated it clearly here =/

*crawls back into bed cause he is sick like a dog*

[godix]

same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.

This is, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest arguement I've heard since since some twit tried claiming that blowjobs aren't sex. I really shouldn't complaint though. Since Sammy left we haven't had a buck toothed unibrowed mongloid morons point of view in the forums. It's kinda nice having someone around who sets the bar so low that when I see some noob asking what file sharing program they can grab WMM off of I go 'Ah, finally, an intelligent person to deal with!' I've found people much easier to deal with when I have low expectations of humanity and you just helped lower them a little bit more.

Hey mods, don't delete this. It isn't a flame. It's an insult, which is a type of flame. Therefore it's totally different and shouldn't fall under the flaming rules.

[Jebadia]

Imphill, anything pertaining to creativity or creation can be catagorized as ART. Anime, AMV's, Caveman Drawings, Cooking, and the Atomic Bomb, all can be considered ART. There is no subcatagory or classification that you can even think of to lower any of these things to something other than ART. As I said earlier in this topic, "Art is pretty big for a 3 letter word".

Fanart is still ART, created by an artist using materials either traditional or non tradition to create a piece of artwork that pays homage to a preticular subject, usually from another piece of ART itself.

Animation is a series of collective drawings, whether done by hand or computer, imposed upon a background created by the same or other means, with lighting and direction. It's a motion picture to put it simply, a series of paintings basically, so Anime and Animation as a whole is ART.

So please Imphill, stop trying to push your foolish idea of what ART is on the rest of the public.

[requiett]

same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.

This is, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest arguement I've heard since since some twit tried claiming that blowjobs aren't sex.

This isn't an arguement. This is a fucking denial of human nature.

[trythil]

What is the first thing that pops into your head when you hear someone say the word "art", in any context?

I'm not sure, but the first thing Google Image Search turns up is a half-naked woman.

I bring this up because this is the only artistic community that I know of that has an EXTREMELY vocal self-depricating element.

I'm glad there IS one. It makes it very easy to treat this stuff as the hobby that it is; it additionally makes it very easy to do a little bit of humorous introspection and poke fun at AMVs within AMVs.

[JaddziaDax]

This is going to be longer than I expected

Anyway, remix culture as a rule tends to be regarded as no higher than the source it's made from. Anime and the music we use tend to be considered low culture, so thus AMVs are not high art.

Nobody said it had to make sense.

Some of the music used is considered "high culture" o.0 and some of the anime too (how many awards has Miyazaki won??) though usually RARELY at the same time...

I'll offer some answers, though. Many people dislike the term 'art' applied to AMVs because in a sense, what we do is collage work.

callages also tend to be considered art... maybe not "high" art but art none the less, and I was going to say that!!!!!

Michelangelo didn't sit around debating the definition of art, he just went and painted the sistine chapel.

he also tagged along with Divinchi and discected bodies which was against the law at the time...

And the Mona Lisa is a Self Portrait in Drag (no really it is!!)

Even classical art isn't all that it's cracked up to be (ref. the movie Amadeus).

AH! Good movie! and aparently somewhat accurate,

shakesphere was considered a hack in his time too... he was what I consider Disney of the Renaissance lol, he liked to make up words too...

But so does Dr Seuess but he did it alot more fun than Shakesphere

and once again with the Mona Lisa is actually Divinchy in Drag (its been proven!!!) though I love just about all of Divinchy's art (even if i cant spell)
Especially the one of the baby in the womb! YAY Discection!!!

Most anime and most music are not art, as it is, amv's have way better chances of being regarded as art cause they aren't made for ecenomic gain.

people can make money off their arts! who says they cant... we cant legally make money off of AMVs but thats another subject.

How many craft fairs have I been to where people sell their original creations? how many meuseums have PAID for certain pieces to be shown in their halls? and take a walk through San Francisco and visit some of those hoity toity painting shops that sell countless pieces of art... Go to a resturant that has high rating sometime, where master chefs create new foods every day, cooking is an art, how many books has Emril sold? then we can always get into novelists... o.0 or Manga artists....

[JaddziaDax]

HA! heres a good example of how subjective "Atr" is:

Theres a lady that KILLS little bunnies, chickens and cats, places their heads on Vases and give them fancy little reniassance collars and what not, puts cute little hats on their heads... kills mice to make finger puppets out of them, then proceeds to take photos of it... The photos are considered art by some people, and to others its considered animal cruelity...

There was once an interactive art exibit where a man had filled several blenders with water and placed goldfish into them, the display even encouraged people to turn on the blenders, and it was considered a fantastic desplay untill someone turned one of them on... then it caused a huge scandal amongst the art community...

The Period Blood lady I believe has been mentioned at the beginning of the post, where she uses her own menstration to create her art, alot of people think its gross...

I remember a cover to an album at one point (atleast I remember my husband talking about it) where people thought the cover was really pretty... untill they found out it was blood and semen o.0

Then theres this

art is way too subjective...

[Otohiko]

The keys to all the ancient arts are lost, were lost many centuries ago. And therefore there is no longer a sacred art embodying laws of the Great Knowledge, and so serving to influence the instincts of the multitude.

There are no creators today. The contemporary priests of art do not create but imitate. They run after beauty and the likeness or what is called originality, without posessing even the neccesary knowledge. Not knowing, and not being able to do anything, since they are groping in the dark, they are praised by the crownd, which places them on a pedestal. Sacred art vanished and left behind only the halo which surrounded its servants. All the current words about the divine spark, talent, genius, creation, sacred art, have no solid basis - they are anachronisms. What are these talents? We will talk about them on some suitable occasion.

Either the shoemaker's craft must be called art, or all contemporary art must be called craft. In what way is a shoemaker sewing fashionable custom shoes of beautiful design inferior to an artist who pursues the aim of imitation or originality? With knowledge, the sewing of shoes may be sacred art too, but without it, a priest of contemporary art is worse than a cobbler

Before you ask if I actually take the above quote seriously, I certainly do.

[inthesto]

Either the shoemaker's craft must be called art, or all contemporary art must be called craft.

I like this quote. I applaud Oto for bringing it up.

Remember, there was a time not too long ago that art was appreciated only insofar that it was a craft. That perception has somehow oddly mixed with its opposed perception (that art is appreciated in its ability to stir a response out of the audience) to produce the common perception of art today, which I basically think sucks.