AMV Editing: A Postmodernist art movement?

[trythil]

I guess I should have prefaced my last post with "IN MY OPINION". Oops.

On a related topic, I wonder if the guys and girls at Illegal Art would be interested in anything on this site.

[Nightowl]

I should've also pointed out that a few of my videos have been shown at a handful of found footage art shows (similar to film festivals only we don't get paid). EVERYONE should try to get in on this sort of thing. They ALWAYS have free alcohol. ALWAYS! IT'S HOT FUCKING!

-N

[Kalium]

And, of course, we all also know that deconstructionism is the academic way of saying "okay, we're not even going to try any more"; since everything depends not on the intentions of the creator of the text but on the interpreter's frame of reference, every possible interpretation is both totally right and completely wrong.

Yes to deconstructionism. Yes to chaos. No to this thread.

Kai, I hate to break it to you... Actually, who am I kidding, I'm enjoying this. Anyway, as deconstructionism and postmodernism have been defined in this thread, the two are very closely related, perhaps to the point of being convergent.

Deconstructionism refers more to the process of production while postmodernism refers more to the end result. Two different points in the same process.

Oh, and Hail Eris. Fnord.

[downwithpants]

AMV is deconstructionist, in the literal as well as theoretical sense, because what we do is tear apart existing sources and reassemble them into representations of our reactions to the source material. Images are abstracted from the context of their original episodes and series, songs are abstracted out of the context of their albums. When someone gives a video a point other than one that's present in the anime or the song, that's deconstructionism.

eh i disagree with this somewhat. more often than not, the clips we use still bear context to the anime films they are from. in some cases, yes, we are re-presenting the video clips completely detached from the original context of the anime (where we might be creating a new story with the clips), but more often i find videos that act as a summary for an anime or highlighting certain features of an anime, so that the video clips are understood in the original context of the anime.

anyways, i regard AMVs primarily as entertainment. i make AMVs for an audience, not just myself. i dont create amvs just for the sake of creating. there is nothing beyond an AMV other than what it brings to viewers. i believe there are also many artistic qualities about AMVs. unfortunately, agents of past and present society have separated art from entertainment.

[Otohiko]

paradox

Anyway, I think my (and probably most people's) problem with this discussion is that it's possible to throw out a lot of terms and still come to nothing. And while anyone might be or declare themselves to be an artist or art analyst, in fact we're all throwing out definitions on our own terms with comparatively little objective backup.

I'm curious how many people here have a degree in art studies to have a sufficiently-formed framework for art analysis. I'm curious for how many of those peopleactually means anything in terms of knowing art

Anyway, this thread is unfortunately intellectual wanking. I see a lot of text and it doesn't actually say much. Have we come to anything in these 4 pages? Does it even matter what label we put over it if probably none of us here have the framework for it to be relevant?

Generally this results in responses amounting to lengthy intellectual counter-wanking or tl;dr. And that's what I've seen here

[wurpess]

Have we come to anything in these 4 pages? Does it even matter what label we put over it if probably none of us here have the framework for it to be relevant?

Generally this results in responses amounting to lengthy intellectual counter-wanking or tl;dr. And that's what I've seen here

-"intellectuals" and "Analysts" are silly.

-No one is really entirely fit to analyze or give the meaning of a piece of art but the artist. . . .and maybe their psychiatrist.

-Art is neat but quality is subjective

-AMVs are fun

[Otohiko]

-AMVs are fun

ZING

I seriously hope this is at least most people's motivation for hanging around this place. As opposed to post-modernism or something.

[wurpess]

-AMVs are fun

ZING

I seriously hope this is at least most people's motivation for hanging around this place. As opposed to post-modernism or something.

. . . . the promise of a night with a horny editor.

[Otohiko]

. . . . the promise of a night with a horny editor.

hmm

Maybe I should start a new thread entitled "how many of you have had sex with another AMV editor"

[Arigatomina]

My take on this subject is really simple, capitalistic, maybe. Hobbyists make money when they create things. Artists tend to make a lot more money when they create things and are recognized as artists. Amv editors make nothing from the hobby so they're beneath hobbyists. They might take the experience of making amvs and become artists by doing original work, but it's not the amvs, it's the editing/storytelling/creativity.

Until we can sell amvs like remixers sell altered versions of popular songs, amvs are just a hobby to me. Not even as 'high up' as fanartists because at least they can work on commission and sell the fanart, openly on deviantart and all over the web - especially if they're Japanese.

Any "art" you don't/can't get money for isn't art until the artist dies. And that kind is all masturbatory, because clearly the artist got nothing from anyone but himself, so he had no reason to make for anyone but himself.