I just have to know...

[lloyd9988]

I revoke my thoughts, I just read something that makes me want to believe this guy

[Leader Desslock]

I don't see why your trying to prove to be right.

I would think that "trying to prove I'm right" would involve restating my opinions of his work and backing them up with even more specific examples to back up those opinions, possibly contrasting those with examples from other folks' work where I think X was done right, etc.

I didn't do that. I basically said, "Bad form, dude." and left it at that. I never mentioned his work again (as I said, no point), but I thought the behaviour deserved comment, so I did.

...if he or she asks you for your opinion again, just refuse her/him.

No, I'd assume that the person had manned up and decided to once again solicit feedback. I would reiterate my earlier warning that my review would be honest. If the person insisted that they wanted honesty even if that meant that some of the criticism might not be what they wanted to hear, I'd give 'em my review.

If the person about whom this thread was written has the guts to come back to me and solicit my review, I'll respect that. It's at least a sign that he's willing to work and he wants to improve.

You shouldn't feel bad for giving an honest opinion...

Oh, I can't say I'd ever feel bad for that.

...and they don't have the right to make you feel bad when they ask for one.

If anyone on the internet can make me feel bad about anything, then I should just get off the internet. Seriously.

Arguably, it was wrong chasing an editor down in the first place, no matter what the reason may be. (IMO)

Would it have been chasing him down if ... I'd originally found his video on YouTube and never heard about him on AN? What if I'd posted my review straight on his YouTube page, he deleted it, and I posted a second reply saying, "It's rude to delete feedback you've solicited, even if you don't like that feedback." Would that be "tracking him down"?

I happened to hear about his video on AN, but I watched it on YouTube, where he invited me to watch it. Since he had public comments enabled on YouTube, he was encouraging viewers to comment upon it.

If he'd have left his thread up on AN but simply had a mod delete my specific comments, then I'd have made my follow-up comment on AN. But he had the whole thread deleted, so... the only place I had to comment was the place where he was inviting EVERYONE to comment, which was on YouTube itself. I really don't consider that 'chasing anyone down'. I didn't even have to search for the video in question; it was in my recent history. I just went to it.


I mean, if you want to hear about me chasing someone down, I can tell you about the kid who tried running a Live Action Evangelion Project Hoax on AN (among other sites). He grabbed a bunch of other peoples' work, claimed it as his own, and was soliciting contributions for the project. We debunked him at every stage, until finally I warned him he had a week to shut down his hoax before I took action. I gave him a week and a half, and when he still insisted it was real...

... feds showed up at his door, I'm pretty sure he lost his job, and I know he got in serious hot water at his church, where he was hosting not only his hoax but some illicit material that'll get you in a whole lot more hot water than mere copyright infringement. HIM I chased down, and many lulz were had that day on AN.

That's how you chase someone down. This AMV kid? I just dropped a note where he'd see it, is all.

[Pwolf]

Why would he assume that we were going to say anything about how there are some editors who take critical feedback when he already pointed out that he knows of some editors that can take critical feedback??

The OP was pointing it out so that people don't misinterpret the post to sound like they're saying "all amv editors can't take criticism".

I don't know, I'm just typing my thoughts out lout to understand his reasoning as to why he would post here. Was it really to understand an answer to his question or was it to validate his own point to make himself feel more right than the other person??

What's wrong with trying to get a better understanding into why someone or perhaps a group of people behave? The OP has a general idea about how the people on AN react to criticism but posted asking how a larger, more amv centric community thinks about it. It's called research.

[Leader Desslock]

I can put this back in spoilers if you want, but it didn't seem like anything that needed to be hidden...

(quoting me)YES, I KNOW THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE. YES, THERE ARE AMV CREATORS THAT TAKE CRITICAL FEEDBACK IN THE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT'S INTENDED. I AM NOT WHITEWASHING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF A SUBSET OF INDIVIDUALS. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TAKING THAT TACK WITH ME.

Why would he assume that we were going to say anything about how there are some editors who take critical feedback when he already pointed out that he knows of some editors that can take critical feedback?? I don't know, I'm just typing my thoughts out lout to understand his reasoning as to why he would post here. Was it really to understand an answer to his question or was it to validate his own point to make himself feel more right than the other person??

No, I wasn't just trying to start internet drama.

That capitalized part is to head off the knee-jerk reaction brigade's easiest unthinking response, is all. I knew nothing about this site, but I had to assume that at least a portion of your members were similar to the original AMV creator in question. And so I was expecting the "We're not all the same, and the fact that you think we are means that you don't understand... blah, blah..." Artists and fanfic writers would be the same way in that regard. I was trying to avoid triggering the obvious flamewar, that's all.

This forum has actually been a lot more reasonable than my experience with AMV creators at AN had led me to expect. Kudos for that, seriously. I've gotten some good answers here. Yes, I got a couple of the expected "tl;dr" responses and a bit of "all fanfic authors are smelly" snark (which was funny), but overall, I've gotten a very balanced and thought-out reaction to my inquiry.

[JaddziaDax]

lloyd the guy is nitpicking semantics, he's said he didn't chase the guy down TO FORCE HIS OPINION ON HIM MORE. He did "chase him down" to continue interweb dramas though.

There's a clear difference here between forcing one's opinion on someone and pointing out unacceptable behavior. The OP isn't forcing his (or her?) opinion on anyone. They found out where the person posted their videos on youtube and told them to pretty much accept criticism when you ask for it and don't be immature about it, in a relatively nice way might I add. Some might see that as being helpful. That's hardly "chasing" someone down to "force their opinion". Would I do it? No, i wouldn't waste my time. Was it wrong to do so? No, I really don't think so. At least someone is telling this person that their behavior is bad. We've already argued over that what the guy can't take criticism, so it's a socially accepted opinion. the only opinion that was "forced" on the editor was one that everyone agrees on.

Not sure why you are responding that to me, when I pretty much said the same thing... dramas are dramas even if they are "justified". (Though I'd find that a waste of time.) I was attempting to separate "dramas" from "forcing opinions", fyi.

[Pwolf]

lloyd the guy is nitpicking semantics, he's said he didn't chase the guy down TO FORCE HIS OPINION ON HIM MORE. He did "chase him down" to continue interweb dramas though.

There's a clear difference here between forcing one's opinion on someone and pointing out unacceptable behavior. The OP isn't forcing his (or her?) opinion on anyone. They found out where the person posted their videos on youtube and told them to pretty much accept criticism when you ask for it and don't be immature about it, in a relatively nice way might I add. Some might see that as being helpful. That's hardly "chasing" someone down to "force their opinion". Would I do it? No, i wouldn't waste my time. Was it wrong to do so? No, I really don't think so. At least someone is telling this person that their behavior is bad. We've already argued over that what the guy can't take criticism, so it's a socially accepted opinion. the only opinion that was "forced" on the editor was one that everyone agrees on.

Not sure why you are responding that to me, when I pretty much said the same thing... dramas are dramas even if they are "justified". (Though I'd find that a waste of time.) I was attempting to separate "dramas" from "forcing opinions", fyi.

Sorry, it was more of an addition to what you said

[JaddziaDax]

Sorry, it was more of an addition to what you said

ah okay

[ZephyrStar]

Skimming through I have to agree with pwolf's view... I wouldn't have wasted my time giving my crits to someone who doesn't want them. My time is valuable, so I only give it to the people that matter. Consider yourselves lucky that I have graced you with my presence to comment in this thread, thus making it an invaluable source of information.

I don't find it to be trolling, I find it to be more of an outreach in an attempt to actually do some good to the user.

A good example: Someone asked for critique on a voiceover clip they did. This is a new interest of mine, and I've been studying, recording, and editing audio over the last few months to ramp up for a project. I felt I had some constructive things I could offer. I made it a point to track down the user to offer some information. I wrote a few lines of what I thought were good about the person's attempt, and praised them for their attempt, and then gave them the things I felt they could improve on, and told them how.

After that they disconnected from IRC

Hope they saved the buffer, take it or leave it.

[Emong]

Why is this thread already 4 pages long?

[Fall_Child42]

Why is this thread already 4 pages long?

Because the gods of brevity truly are dead.

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