How are AMV's legal?

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:28 pm

You see bum, that requires reverse engineering the storage formats. In general, the documentation for the file formats is not available to the public. This means that coders essentially have to crack the format to translate it properly.

bum · Post by **bum** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:20 pm

yeah but then again coders have bein cracking software for years. sure this time it'l be harder, but it is posible.

Declan_Vee · Post by **Declan_Vee** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:32 am

koronoru wrote:Sometimes it's actually legal to make copies directly against the wishes of the copyright holder. The excaptions pretty clearly don't apply to the typical AMV, but it's not true that whatever the copyright holder says goes.

Oh yes. If I remember correctly you're allowed to make and have one backup copy of most all media, CDs, DVDs, software, etc...

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:09 am

Declan_Vee wrote:Oh yes. If I remember correctly you're allowed to make and have one backup copy of most all media, CDs, DVDs, software, etc...

Not if you live in the US where DRM informs you that you are a filthy pirate scum if you copy a dvd as you need to break the encryption to do so. Yes, Australia is putting forward laws just like this too.

Digital Rights no longer include Fair Use.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:21 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Declan_Vee wrote:Oh yes. If I remember correctly you're allowed to make and have one backup copy of most all media, CDs, DVDs, software, etc...
Not if you live in the US where DRM informs you that you are a filthy pirate scum if you copy a dvd as you need to break the encryption to do so. Yes, Australia is putting forward laws just like this too.

Digital Rights no longer include Fair Use.

Actually, you don't need to break CSS to copy a DVD.

You do need to break CSS if you want to write and/or use an unlicensed DVD player. Therefore, every time I open up xine to watch a DVD, I am committing an illegal act.

Isn't law great?

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:30 am

trythil wrote:
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Declan_Vee wrote:Oh yes. If I remember correctly you're allowed to make and have one backup copy of most all media, CDs, DVDs, software, etc...
Not if you live in the US where DRM informs you that you are a filthy pirate scum if you copy a dvd as you need to break the encryption to do so. Yes, Australia is putting forward laws just like this too.

Digital Rights no longer include Fair Use.
Actually, you don't need to break CSS to copy a DVD.

You do need to break CSS if you want to write and/or use an unlicensed DVD player. Therefore, every time I open up xine to watch a DVD, I am committing an illegal act.

Isn't law great?

I need to learn how to wait before hitting Submit, to make sure I have my thoughts in order.

Anyway, here are some additional conditions:

(1) Of course, CSS is only broken if the DVD being read employs CSS. Some don't.

(2) If I recall correctly, libdvdcss, the library which provides decryption functionality to xine, mplayer, and so on, doesn't need the keys extracted from the Xing DVD player of yore. CSS has been broken every which way, and nowadays it's possible to just brute-force the keys.

This still places US citizens in trouble due to the access-control circumvention provision of the DMCA, though.

fizzucker · Post by **fizzucker** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:49 pm

nailz1000 wrote:
shinji13 wrote:my say on in this is:

<Insert poorly written post here>
If I was your english teacher, I'd have raped your face with a splintery ruler.

its a good thing ur not my teacher either

bum · Post by **bum** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:13 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
Declan_Vee wrote:Oh yes. If I remember correctly you're allowed to make and have one backup copy of most all media, CDs, DVDs, software, etc...
Not if you live in the US where DRM informs you that you are a filthy pirate scum if you copy a dvd as you need to break the encryption to do so. Yes, Australia is putting forward laws just like this too.

Digital Rights no longer include Fair Use.

barstards. and they wonder why piracy is so rampant. i mean, by creating restrictions and laws like this, people are just gona get angery. and if people are angery then they dont want to buy the thing thats restricting them. thats why they steal it. thats why things such as cracks are so popular. i mean, their basicaly forcing people to pirate things

Konohamaru · Post by **Konohamaru** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:20 pm

gawd, you guys are making this unbelievably complicated. koronoru is absolutly right in saying:

[quote="koronoru"][quote="Declan_Vee"]What it all boils down to is people aren't understanding the difference between [i]Law[/i] and [i]Ethics[/i] in regard to not-for-profit.[/quote]

You're right, that's the problem. A lot of people seem to have this idea that good things are always legal and bad things are always illegal. Then they're surprised, and refuse to believe it, when they're told that the actual law doesn't exactly align with their idea of what should and shouldn't be allowed.
[/quote]

My personal take on this is that who the fuck cares if its illegal, it isn't immoral or wrong, and its fun, and they'll never catch us, so do it if you like it. However, I'm not advocating screwing the anime industry; I think people should support them by buying merchandice just to keep the industry we all love alive. I'm only preposing to screw over the music industry,

but hopfully not the artists. Is that possible do you think, koronoru?

Konohamaru · Post by **Konohamaru** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:23 pm

sorry, though of this right after i posted my message

i would definitely accept comments from anyone, not just koronoru.