Obviously not much if you were so certain it was a hardware problem and not software and now admit that it could be software breakage due to SP2, which is what I maintained from the start. For doing this every day for a living, you aren't very "helpful."xstylus wrote:What would I know?
I HATE YOU XP SERVICE PACK 2!!!!!
- Flint the Dwarf
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Kusoyaro: We don't need a leader. We need to SHUT UP. Make what you want to make, don't make you what you don't want to make. If neither of those applies to you, then you need to SHUT UP MORE.
- XStylus
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Standard proceedure when trying to diagnose a problem is to rule out possibilities. Based upon what you were describing (lock ups, BSODs, etc), the first suspects are one of four possibilities (there are more, but these are the most common). In order, they are memory, hard drive, virus, and improperly installed (or improperly made) software.flint_the_dwarf wrote:Obviously not much if you were so certain it was a hardware problem and not software and now admit that it could be software breakage due to SP2, which is what I maintained from the start. For doing this every day for a living, you aren't very "helpful."xstylus wrote:What would I know?
In my tech bay, we test memory first simply because you HAVE to. Trying to fix a software problem on a machine with bad memory is like prescribing penticilin for a broken arm. The same is with the hard drive. If the hard drive is bad and the machine is trying to read data from a bad area, it's the same as a memory problem. If both are good, you then check for viruses and spyware (since most spyware and adware programs are sloppily coded they might as well be considered viruses). Finding none, then you remove whatever you have set to load at boot from your Startup folder and from your registry, and only load essentials. If the problem still persists, only then can the problem logically be assumed to be a bad/corrupted OS (there are other possibilities, but they take far too much time to diagnose and are impossible to determine unless I was sitting in front of the machine in question). Notice that bad/corrupted OS is last on the list. Perhaps that would explain why I asked you to check your memory and hard drive first.
I can't believe I'm having an argument with someone just because I tried to help fix his computer. No good deed goes unpunished I guess.
- Flint the Dwarf
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Look, if my computer still had a problem, then I could have seen you trying to help me. As it was, my computer had already been fixed, which you would have noticed if you'd read my first post more thoroughly. You can't fix something that's not broken, so I didn't see you as trying to help me. So let's end this at a misunderstanding.xstylus wrote:I can't believe I'm having an argument with someone just because I tried to help fix his computer. No good deed goes unpunished I guess.
Kusoyaro: We don't need a leader. We need to SHUT UP. Make what you want to make, don't make you what you don't want to make. If neither of those applies to you, then you need to SHUT UP MORE.
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- madbunny
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If you compare computer to politics:Lyrs wrote:The way ppl go on about hating Windows, you would expect them not to use it.
Windows are like Democrats, they hate it but keep buying into it for some reason.
Mac is like republicans, full of zealots that feel it's the only worthwile thing in the universe and that makes them all elite and stuff.
Linux, Unix, libertarians and Ralph Nader; great ideas but it never seems to actually happen.
For my money, I've notices that if you spend roughly the same amount on a high and pc as a high end mac, you get pretty much the same performance. As Trythil pointed out a while back, the comparisons have all been done. My comparison is in the software isle at a store though. Who's got the goodies baby?
This whole thread, and presumably hundreds of other frustrated people developed because they (mostly) had some automated feature turned on and didn't know what their computer was doing.
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I just get tired of the whiney PC wussies that get jealous the moment something is slightly better... in any fasion. And their trump card "you cheated." Its all you ever hear "whaaaaaaa hyperthreading" or "wheeeeeeeee PCI-E," it just sickens me to no extent that they can't accept said facts. Yeah, good for you, you crashed OS X. What were you doing to it again? Exactly, LOOKING for a way to **** it over. Personally I own systems with both XP, 2000, Jag and Panther, and quite frankly only my OSX systems have survived without requiring massive upkeep such as defrag or in many cases w/ XP, constant formats.madbunny wrote:For my money, I've notices that if you spend roughly the same amount on a high and pc as a high end mac, you get pretty much the same performance. As Trythil pointed out a while back, the comparisons have all been done. My comparison is in the software isle at a store though. Who's got the goodies baby?
But I guess there is a logical excuse for that too
- madbunny
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Mr Pilkington wrote:I just get tired of the whiney PC wussies that get jealous the moment something is slightly better... in any fasion. And their trump card "you cheated." Its all you ever hear "whaaaaaaa hyperthreading" or "wheeeeeeeee PCI-E," it just sickens me to no extent that they can't accept said facts. Yeah, good for you, you crashed OS X. What were you doing to it again? Exactly, LOOKING for a way to **** it over. Personally I own systems with both XP, 2000, Jag and Panther, and quite frankly only my OSX systems have survived without requiring massive upkeep such as defrag or in many cases w/ XP, constant formats.madbunny wrote:For my money, I've notices that if you spend roughly the same amount on a high and pc as a high end mac, you get pretty much the same performance. As Trythil pointed out a while back, the comparisons have all been done. My comparison is in the software isle at a store though. Who's got the goodies baby?
I'm not sure where that came from. Look, it's like this, when macs introduce a new design, I've noticed that they are usually way above current pc standards in terms of performance (we are talking the top of the line stuff here like the dual cpu G5), this gap never really seems to last very long, and eventually pc's will outstrip them till the next time something is released and the whole thing starts over.
At this point, I could really care less what the box has in it, so long as it does what I want it to. It's great that Mac is more stable in the grand sceme of things, but so what? All the programs that I want either run on a PC, or an SGI.
Anyway, isn't this topic about dead, I mean beyond "don't download SP2 it sucks, and can ruin your computer" and the bits that described how to workaround not doing it yet I don't see what more we can add.
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- Lyrs
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The message shouldn't be "Don't download SP2." It should be "do your homework, figure out if you'll get an error, find a solution, and than install SP2." Make sure to create backups and to install the SP in an ideal condition without any potentially intrusive programs in the background that can and may produce errors in installation.
SP2 will cause errors in computers that are not trouble-shooted. In ideal cases, SP2 can provide substantial security and stability to systems.
SP2 will cause errors in computers that are not trouble-shooted. In ideal cases, SP2 can provide substantial security and stability to systems.
- madbunny
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Well stated, I stand corrected.Lyrs wrote:The message shouldn't be "Don't download SP2." It should be "do your homework, figure out if you'll get an error, find a solution, and than install SP2." Make sure to create backups and to install the SP in an ideal condition without any potentially intrusive programs in the background that can and may produce errors in installation.
SP2 will cause errors in computers that are not trouble-shooted. In ideal cases, SP2 can provide substantial security and stability to systems.
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