Best file format to use for amvs?

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoted from nyah:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/VP6.htm

VP6 is the leading codec available for PC and set-top box applications, offering up to 40% better quality and 50% better playback performance than our revolutionary VP5 codec.

VP6 is the best video codec on the market today. It offers better image quality and faster decoding performance than Windows Media 9, RealVideo 10, H.264, and QuickTime MPEG-4.

In our internal testing, VP6 beat H.264, Windows Media 9 and Real Video 10 in PSNR comparisons using the standard set of MPEG-2 test clips. The codec looks better than Windows Media 9, shows far fewer motion artifacts than Windows Media 9, and maintains more texture and detail than Real 10 or H.264.

Niotex · Post by **Niotex** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:19 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
Zarxrax wrote: Bull. VP6 is a piece of crap. Even VP7 doesn't come close to x264. VP7 can probably beat xvid, but it is FAR from being the best codec in existence.
Sorry, but you're flat out WRONG. But hey, step it on up if ya want to. Provide a raw source clip and let's have an encoding contest!

this is going to be fun I say take it Alan.

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:26 pm

this little pecker just won't stop. tries to pick a fight with pwolf, and now this shit.

contest? nah. thats what he wants. just post still frames of each export and shut him up, for now.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:29 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:Quoted from nyah:
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/VP6.htm

VP6 is the leading codec available for PC and set-top box applications, offering up to 40% better quality and 50% better playback performance than our revolutionary VP5 codec.

VP6 is the best video codec on the market today. It offers better image quality and faster decoding performance than Windows Media 9, RealVideo 10, H.264, and QuickTime MPEG-4.

In our internal testing, VP6 beat H.264, Windows Media 9 and Real Video 10 in PSNR comparisons using the standard set of MPEG-2 test clips. The codec looks better than Windows Media 9, shows far fewer motion artifacts than Windows Media 9, and maintains more texture and detail than Real 10 or H.264.

For one thing those comments are provided by the company that makes the damn codec. Of course they are going to say it's great. Another thing, the page you linked to says it was last updated in 2004. Thats like 3 years ago.

In doom9's 2005 codec comparison, it shows that h264 clearly beats VP7. I'll trust the comparisons of a nuetral party like doom9 much more than the word of the company who produces the codec.

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:31 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
In doom9's 2005 codec comparison, it shows that h264 clearly beats VP7. I'll trust the comparisons of a nuetral party like doom9 much more than the word of the company who produces the codec.

WRONG!

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-final-105-1.htm

VP7 wasn't even IN Doom9s 2005 codec comparison!

Kevmaster · Post by **Kevmaster** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:32 pm

Kevmasterflashdeluxe wrote:some of them got that main concept logo..

It's like I thought..fugly main Concept Logo :O

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:41 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:
In doom9's 2005 codec comparison, it shows that h264 clearly beats VP7. I'll trust the comparisons of a nuetral party like doom9 much more than the word of the company who produces the codec.
WRONG!

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/codecs-final-105-1.htm

VP7 wasn't even IN Doom9s 2005 codec comparison!

Wrong.

http://www.doom9.org/codecs-main-105-1.htm

It was in the main round, but <a href="http://www.doom9.org/codecs-main-105-3.htm">it didn't make it</a> to the final round.

Batto! · Post by **Batto!** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:41 pm

Wheee_It's_Me! wrote:
Streicher wrote:The target audience of AMVs will be very able to watch Xvid enoded files, as the fansubs are encoded like that for several years. The target audience of AMVs is also slowly but steadily switching to h264 encoded files, as the fansubs are slowly but steadily switching to h264.
The general mass computer user (MPEG1 lol) is irrelevant for this topic.
WRONG!

The VAST majority of people at this point watch fansubs on boochsack, which completely eliminates the need to download...well, anything really. It's no surprise that boochsack is the best way of showing off your AMV to the most number of people possible. I know teh folks over here don't like it much, mostly because it kinda renders teh org obsolete as far as delivering content and that's important because that's how the .org makes money. Really though at some point the org is going to have to evolve into the 21st century and offer integrated video playback into the site (preferably with higher quality than the normal boochsack fare). If the org doesn't do it, someone else will (maybe even me) and then POOF, this place will fall off the map like the Charas forums did after RPG Maker XP came out and they failed to keep up.

Like it or not this is the best means of distribution:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_v ... r_amv.html
(AMV by VicBond007)

You get the highest level of compression with the maximum level of compatibility.

Also if somebody really wants to watch something, he will find out how.
Generally speaking that's the kind of attitude that equals complete and utter failure. I mean imagine opening up a restaurant on the top of a mountain and then saying, "Well if anyone really wants to eat here I guess they'll find a way to get up here." Even if you have the best food on the planet not many people are going to take the bother, you GROSSLY over-estimate people's interest.

well...we are talking about the org, most people on the org don't really rely on you-tube for their fansubs =/ therefore have the codecs =/

Wheee_It's_Me! · Post by **Wheee_It's_Me!** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:48 pm

Narutobattousai wrote: well...we are talking about the org, most people on the org don't really rely on you-tube for their fansubs =/ therefore have the codecs =/

But we're not JUST talking about the org. I mean if you make an AMV you want to show it to as many people as possible, right? Now the .org certainly doesn't come anywhere even REMOTELY close to encompassing the vast majority of the net.populous which is why you wouldn't want to use any sort of codec like Xvid or Divx...unless you wanted to exclude a good 95% of the entire Internet from ever seeing it.

Further, even *IF* Bumbles up there is right about VP6/7 as far as compression (really it's largely subjective anyway since it's dependant on source, settings and other factors) it doesn't change the fact that THIS:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_v ... r_amv.html
is THE most cross compatible solution for delivering video...PERIOD. There is NOTHING more cross compatible than that (outside of maybe MPEG-1).

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:52 pm

just go away

or at least give up on the argument that you're loosing

preferably go away though