Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

[8bit_samurai]

I never understood the classic vs. new and simple cut vs. effects arguments. Some of the posts in this thread were tl;dr, but I do agree with those who said something to the effect of if an AMV has a good enough concept, then it will hold weight.

In my opinion, when editing, all you are doing is syncing anime to music and music to anime. You weave them together in hopes to make sense out of it, which becomes the concept. If you weave it too loosely and sparsely, then all you have is a fight/love/comedy scene with different background music. If you weave it too tightly and roughly, then all you have is music with a bunch of different scenes crammed into it. If you weave it seamlessly and smoothly, then, my friend, you have an AMV. It may not be a good AMV or a bad AMV, but it is an AMV nevertheless. Effects are just fancy stitches, which will only look good if only done correctly.

To be relevant to this topic, from what I understand, most of the classic editors have had some experience in the editing industry. So it is not to my surprise that a bunch of their videos have solid concepts, considering you have to be skilled to edit with what they had then. Nowadays, it is easier to access and use what you need to edit, allowing everyone and their cat to make an "AMV," which I presume lead to the downfall of AMVs. Or at least, ended the golden age of AMVs.

[Knowname]

IMO this question is just like the 'more obscure anime' question... or at least it has gone in that direction (actually most all threads here head in the same direction lol). The golden age of AMVs have ended because the 'classic' editors have rather fallen out of the anime hobby and the 'new' editors aren't picking up the torch! Ya'all are too LAZY!!

[AceD]

'new' editors aren't picking up the torch! Ya'all are too LAZY!!

i wouldn't say that, theres some great editors out there

[Vivaldi]

The golden age of AMVs have ended because the 'classic' editors have rather fallen out of the anime hobby and the 'new' editors aren't picking up the torch! Ya'all are too LAZY!!

We're not too lazy, You're just to cynical as to what constitutes "the torch"

[OmniStrata]

Kevin Caldwell. His latest works have effects but that's beside the point, they're all old. Ultimately, his editing was sheer awesome.

My old amvs, after comparing with random current ones, they don't feel all that old [lol]

But I will admit, the current generation editor has gotten REALLY good at image manipulation. More rotoscopes than I'd ever have the patience to do...

But YES AGED AMVS DO HOLD WEIGHT AND I'LL JUST PLUG MINE AS A SHAMELESS EXAMPLE! MUAHAHAH!

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=31390
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=65560
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?v=5665

The old ones say that my Moonlight Vengeance vid is one of the best ones ever conceived, bold Inu Yasha gives testament to this blood line... His roar is long and loud... (if you catch the reference, you're a maniac)

[OmniStrata]

Oh, before I forget, they use OLLLDDD special fx... and non-dvd footage [eep]

[seasons]

[quote="ngsilver"]At cons I tend to find older and simpler videos can outshine even the most effects laden video. One fan favorite that always gets requested when I'm running a room or an event is Lazy_H's , and that is one of the simplest videos I've seen. It uses an old series, the quality of the source and subsiquent video is low, and there are no visible effects and only simple edits. It just never get's old./quote]

Where could we download this? Saw this at ACEN this year and had my mind blown.

Creator doesn't seem to be in the hobby anymore (no logins in nearly 6 years) so I don't know I should even bother sending them a PM over it.

[Arigatomina]

To be relevant to this topic, from what I understand, most of the classic editors have had some experience in the editing industry.

Is that really true? Today or then? I remember when there were about five well-known editors who claimed to have gotten into editing because of their jobs. But that was six years ago. And they didn't have an obviously "higher than average" standard. They had hits and misses just like everyone else. Most of the hits stand out because the match/concept just works so well. I'll reference Chibi Things again because it's such an obvious concept in retrospect. But no one had done it and after watching it, no 'reimagining' will compare to the original. Classics work. They just do. It's..."I didn't see it before and now that I have, I can't unsee it. It's perfect." Remakes and mimics only work if you've never seen and fallen for the original.

I don't think that 'oldschool' will stand up to the current trends. Old 'classics' will still seem perfect to those who fell for them, and some of the newer fans might see the same thing we saw in them. But it's like anything else. Kids who grew up reading RL Stein aren't going to appreciate Edgar Allen Poe. Teenage 'Saw' fans find 'Night of the Living Dead' boring and 'The Shining' tame. Amv fans who were weaned on crystal-clear effect-heavy vids are going to wince at 'slow, low-quality' classics. As long as old fans are still around, those old vids will still be appreciated, but they'll never appeal to the new audience the way newer videos do. They weren't made for them. While a sparkly remake might draw the newer audience, it'll kill what made the original a classic to the old fans. The horror movie industry has proved that time and time again. There's really no getting around it. Unless there's a sudden trend of 'olschool' type amvs among newer fans, that stuff will stay 'oldschool.' Key word being old.

[8bit_samurai]

To be relevant to this topic, from what I understand, most of the classic editors have had some experience in the editing industry.

Is that really true?

Well, I don't know if it's true or not. It just seems quite a few of the classic editors who are still around have had some experience in the editing industry.

[Beowulf]

Good editing is timeless. Thats what makes it so magical. VFX, by their very nature are not timeless, but some can be done so well that they hold up to this day.

Look at Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The visual effects in that movie are STILL amazing. Sure you might notice the change in contrast from a green screen or something, but by and large, its still amazing to see the T-1000 emerge from a pile of silver goo and stab Sarah Conor with his finger.

A lot of old action videos had fewer beat hits and synch to the lyrics or vocal inflections a lot more than snare drums. They were slower in general, but it didn't matter because they still had their highs and lows in the right proportion to each other. This is something that every new editor should be taught.

It doesn't matter how high your highs are or how low your lows are as long as they are far enough apart. If your ultra-fast-cutting action video maintains that pace for the whole running time, its static. It doesn't matter that you are hitting beats, bouncing tits, honeycombing bea hives with vector art, etc. It has to go up or down, it can't stay the same for long. Things are either growing or dying.