Things you don't like about a-m-v.org

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:44 am

Kai Stromler wrote:Because he's talking about sitebanners, which serve no identifiable purpose.

Other sites have a small selection of banners and buttons, which are made available so that people can use them as a graphical way of linking to the site. Here on the .org, we have nearly 2000 'approved' banners, nearly all of which:
- follow the "cute chara - lazy effects - meaningless slogan" formula
- appear only on .org-internal pages
and
- suck (IMNSHO, ofcourse, the creators may feel differently)

Has anyone ever seen a 'banner contest' banner actually being used on another site to link to the .org? And if not, what do they do besides add badwidth cost and load time?

--K

ahahahahahaha floating or soul... I should try those words sometime

ah good times....

why is it my cheezy banners with stupid cheezy words win all the time?? and I cant get my cleaver ones to win at all??? lol

I'm surprised the Pokemon one won! lol I was totally expecting it to lose

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:52 am

godix wrote:when's the last time you've seen Inthesto, kitsunebeolnet, JaddziaDax, and Arigatomina talking together?

I talk to kitsunebeolnet on an almost daily basis, met him through opinions on a 1985 video (since we both made one....) and on journals alot

I've talked to Inthesto in #amv a couple of times, but since he tends to insult me I dotn have much to say to him

lol haha

but I kinda cross alot of the communities at times I suppose

kitsunebeolnet · Post by **kitsunebeolnet** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:17 am

JaddziaDax wrote:
godix wrote:when's the last time you've seen Inthesto, kitsunebeolnet, JaddziaDax, and Arigatomina talking together?
I talk to kitsunebeolnet on an almost daily basis, met him through opinions on a 1985 video (since we both made one....) and on journals alot I've talked to Inthesto in #amv a couple of times, but since he tends to insult me I dotn have much to say to him lol haha

but I kinda cross alot of the communities at times I suppose

What she said.

I guess we're both part of our own segment of the journal community, although there are a number that interact within their own little groups.

I consider myself also part of the fourm community, although you'd be hard pressed to find me in any of the technical sub-groups and I almost never go into chatrooms.

Godix's point is that other than some loose connection to AMVs, either as a fan, creator or both, there is no one binding place where everyone has gotten together at once. ('Course, I wonder what 3/4 of a million people all trying to log in at once would do to the system.

)

On another subject...I know I've seen a few banners on other individual studio sites. I have one on mine that comes back here to the org: http://www.wowway.com/~kitsune/studios.html

(BTW - The banner used is my favorite from this years crop. I didn't know how to get ahold of the individual who created it at the time due to no e-mail address listed. If this is yours and you don't want it used outside of the org, let me know and I'll change it.)

DriftRoot · Post by **DriftRoot** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:51 am

Regarding the banners that have no purpose...I do believe the following is clearly stated on this Web site: "The goal of the banner ad contest is to have something for people who want to promote this site to use in their promotions." That's fine. That's what banners are FOR, after all, otherwise they'd just be random 468 x 60 graphic images...

Continuing on: "This also provides an artistic outlet for those who want to do something but are unable to create anime music videos." Yes, and how dare anyone slam someone else's chosen form of creative, artistic expression, especially in a fan-based community such as this! Creating a banner in lieu of creating an AMV is nothing to be ashamed of, or be meant to feel ashamed of. We're all celebrating anime in our own, fan-centered ways. I would point out that all those one-page fanlistings cluttering up the Internet are just bigger versions of a-m-v.org banners - a statement of one's hobby and passion - and, on an even larger scale, this is also what AMVs are.

Whether one chooses to proclaim their anime fandom through a fansite, an AMV or an a-m-v.org banner is no one's business but their own. We should all be grateful that the Internet has allowed us to access anime in this manner and worry a lot less about what is "worthy" about how some people choose to express their hobby. a-m-v.org IS nothing but a fan-based, fan-driven online community. The banner contest component is in no way out of place here: it's purpose is to promote anime and AMV's while allowing people to make statements about their own anime fan status, either by placing one of these banners on their Web sites or creating a banner themselves.

I suspect, if a poll were taken, the majority of people who feel the banner contest is pointless are AMV creators who would not "lower" themselves from the lofty ranks of video editing into the realm of "simple" graphic design. Kudos to editors who enjoy the banners and/or have contributed their own.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:22 pm

DriftRoot wrote:Whether one chooses to proclaim their anime fandom through a fansite, an AMV or an a-m-v.org banner is no one's business but their own. We should all be grateful that the Internet has allowed us to access anime in this manner and worry a lot less about what is "worthy" about how some people choose to express their hobby. a-m-v.org IS nothing but a fan-based, fan-driven online community. The banner contest component is in no way out of place here: it's purpose is to promote anime and AMV's while allowing people to make statements about their own anime fan status, either by placing one of these banners on their Web sites or creating a banner themselves.

I suspect, if a poll were taken, the majority of people who feel the banner contest is pointless are AMV creators who would not "lower" themselves from the lofty ranks of video editing into the realm of "simple" graphic design. Kudos to editors who enjoy the banners and/or have contributed their own.

Banner art is fine, IMO, but I don't believe it belongs here on the org. This is an AMV site, not a banner site. Whenever people make live action videos, they ask why they can't upload them here. The answer is that this site is for anime music videos, not live action music videos. Whenever someone makes a video from American animation, they ask why they can not upload it here. The answer is always that this site is for japanese animation music videos, not American animation. When people in the forums suggest a fanfix or fanart section on the site, they get blasted by people saying that this is not a fanfic or fanart site, this is an AMV site.

Likewise, this is not a banner art site, this is an AMV site. The banner contest serves little purpose.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:29 pm

someone said something about the banners not having anything to do with AMVs or very little to...

a few of my banners are direct references to or are screencaps from my amvs. so essentially some of them ARE actual ads for my AMVs..

I personally dont see anything wrong with the banner contest cept the fact that the one word kawaii banners keep winning, and if they have more than one word then its still just as shallow (I mean deep... deep)

its more of a side hobby, for me than it is the sole focus of my reason for being here, but I do think that it DOES help to "pimp" my profile out and get people to see that I also make AMVs...

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:30 pm

sorry for the double post...

but the "pimping" factor is the reason I got into making them in the first place

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:33 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:its more of a side hobby, for me than it is the sole focus of my reason for being here, but I do think that it DOES help to "pimp" my profile out and get people to see that I also make AMVs...

And it works too. Half the time when I click up there, I run into your profile.

jade_eyed_angel · Post by **jade_eyed_angel** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:59 pm

most of the banners I make are actually of anime I use in my amvs. i'm assuming that there are people who click on banners with a certain anime because they like the anime so that way they end up linking to my profile, which has amvs to that anime. so that works as promotion... kind of..

its more of a side hobby, for me than it is the sole focus of my reason for being here, but I do think that it DOES help to "pimp" my profile out and get people to see that I also make AMVs...

and that too

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:13 pm

On the risk of going off topic: The banners promote users, since that's what they link to. They have nothing to do with promoting the org - I used them when I had a site with a links page, but I don't think that's very common. Most banners have nothing to do with AMVs; I suspect some banner makers have never even seen an AMV.

If they did away with the contest and sold the banner space to these banner addicts instead at five dollars a pop? Swimming pool full of money. Just sayin'.

Oh, vaguely on topic: the banners are often vapid. But that's because the banner makers are vapid. And I don't expect that to change, so I don't worry about it. Unworthy unworthy unworthy unworthy, whee.