Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by AceD » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:14 pm

to reply to 'Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?'', i say no.

why? because once you find a video with fantastic timing, utilizing amazing effects with the programs of today, you get one kick ass amv. Though you only get these when a big contest is looming

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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by nikolakis » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:42 am

I can not understand this debate about the old and the new type of editing...

Editing key element was and it always will be the synchronization...

Effects, are nothing more than minor details to increase the amv's visual "quality" and in some unique cases the synchronization...

Even storytelling isn't something important, simply because, not every song is suitable having a storyline and in some cases people who are unfamiliar with the featured anime would stay clueless, even after watching the "best storytelling amv"...

Personally i started using effects... simple because, after editing so many years (since 2003) felt the need to try something different... its like when you are exercising where you have to increase the weights little by little...
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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by Pas » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:51 am

nikolakis wrote:Effects, are nothing more than minor details to increase the amv's visual "quality" and in some unique cases the synchronization...
I would strongly disagree with this statement, if only for the fact that I believe your definition of "effects" is incorrect. Personally I would consider modifying the original source material or creating new content of your own is an effect in itself. While a great deal of effects are indeed used to boost visuals and try to make the scene stand out, or contrast to how it looked originally, I don't believe that is their only purpose.

Effects, when used in a proper manner can help to bridge between two previously unlinked scenes, they can give us an entirely new perception on something that would have otherwise remained dull and banal. They can also aid in creating a story, building the right atmosphere and much more.

The problem here isn't the effects themselves so much as the way people have chosen to use them.

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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by nikolakis » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:32 am

Pas wrote:
nikolakis wrote:Effects, are nothing more than minor details to increase the amv's visual "quality" and in some unique cases the synchronization...
I would strongly disagree with this statement, if only for the fact that I believe your definition of "effects" is incorrect. Personally I would consider modifying the original source material or creating new content of your own is an effect in itself. While a great deal of effects are indeed used to boost visuals and try to make the scene stand out, or contrast to how it looked originally, I don't believe that is their only purpose.

Effects, when used in a proper manner can help to bridge between two previously unlinked scenes, they can give us an entirely new perception on something that would have otherwise remained dull and banal. They can also aid in creating a story, building the right atmosphere and much more.

The problem here isn't the effects themselves so much as the way people have chosen to use them.
Pas i totally agree with you... effects can do the things that you mentioned but without decent synchronization the result won't be decent.

My definition of "Visual quality" includes the things that you mentioned, i just used something general to be brief :)
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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by CrackTheSky » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:51 am

AceD wrote:to reply to 'Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?'', i say no.

why? because once you find a video with fantastic timing, utilizing amazing effects with the programs of today, you get one kick ass amv. Though you only get these when a big contest is looming
I fail to see how your explanation agrees with (or even relates to) your assessment that aged AMVs don't hold any weight today.

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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by Otohiko » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:03 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:
AceD wrote:to reply to 'Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?'', i say no.

why? because once you find a video with fantastic timing, utilizing amazing effects with the programs of today, you get one kick ass amv. Though you only get these when a big contest is looming
I fail to see how your explanation agrees with (or even relates to) your assessment that aged AMVs don't hold any weight today.
I'd also like to add that I fail to see how the "programs of today" have any influence. There's nothing new you can do today with AMVs that wasn't possible 10 years ago. It's substantially easier/cheaper to do technically-complex things with videos today, sure, but that doesn't automatically make anything better. In fact I'd argue it's made things worse in some cases.
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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by Knowname » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:44 pm

nikolakis wrote:Editing key element was and it always will be the synchronization...
I disagree. a video can be extremely enjoyable even without sync. sync is just a plus.
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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by Vivaldi » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm

Knowname wrote:
nikolakis wrote:Editing key element was and it always will be the synchronization...
sync is just a plus.
If even that, sync is just the easiest method for tension and release.

Though in this instance I'd take it as "How you sync" not "that you sync". or "the proper temporal arrangement of clips"
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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by AFT » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:00 pm

Classics never get old. Whether it's with amv's or movies, music or art, as long as something is entertaining time won't change that. I use what you could call more modern editing techniques, but that doesn't change the fact that I enjoy older amv's and new ones equally.
However. Just because it's old doesn't mean it can't have awesome effects. Look at Whisper of the Beast. Tainted Donuts. Revenge. I could go on and on. Would Euphoria be as popular as it is if it didn't have all those effects?

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Re: Do aged AMVs still hold weight in 2009?

Post by Tono_Fyr » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:42 pm

AFT wrote: Just because it's old doesn't mean it can't have awesome effects. Look at Whisper of the Beast.
Fuck.

I feel old.

I'm going to repeat what's been said a lot already: good videos are good, effects or not.

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