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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by Castor Troy » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:54 pm

PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: (No offense intended towards God or religion. Deal with it.)

1) Thou shall not take any aspect ratio except one aspect ratio.
Don't intermix full screen video with letterboxed video. Changes
between the two are distracting for the audience. You want your video
to look like one complete product, but intermixing the two aspect ratios
works against that.

2) Thou shall make no image with subtitles.
Subtitles are bad. Don't do it. Text distracts the audience. They'll
be too busy reading to pay attention to the video. This also applies to
the logos that networks stick in the bottom-right corner.

3) Thou shall not let characters talk in vain.
Avoid having characters talking in the video (unless their lips are
synchronized with the lyrics.) If characters are talking while you
can't hear what they're saying, the audience is left wondering what
they're missing.

4) Thou shall honor thy fellow creators.
Don't take anime footage from other videos. If you actually want to
make a good video, you'll need to do it right and record your own source
footage. Go buy the DVDs.

5) Thou shall not steal.
Yeah, Napster might be fun, but if you're going to use a song in a
video, go out and buy the CD. MP3s aren't the same quality anyway.
Plus, you'll get a warm, fuzzy feeling for supporting the music artists.

6) Thou shall not let video static lie.
If you're recording from VHS, put a mask over that video static in the
bottom few lines of the screen. Seeing that hop all over the place
while the video plays is distracting...and it looks bad too.

7) Thou shall not kill clips haphazardly.
Don't just stick in footage wherever it fits. Plan ahead and have them
fit with the music. Follow the beat of the music and plan clips around
that.

8) Thou shall not use footage more than once.
Avoid using the same video clip more than once. It shows that you
either have a very short memory or you didn't capture enough source
footage. If it's a humor bit, keep in mind that there's a reason
comedians never tell the same joke to the same audience twice.

9) Thou shall not covet thy editor's transitions.
Just because you have all these transitions doesn't mean you have to use
them. Only use what's appropriate for the scene. Putting in
transitions because they're "cool" isn't a good idea. Only use them if
they add to the story.

10) Thou shall keep the output acceptable.
Nobody wants to download a 50 Mb video just to find out that it's been
poorly compressed with garbled sound. Use compression methods such as
QuickTime, MPEG, AVI/DivX, or high-quality RealMedia. Experiment until
you find one that works well...then feel free to stick with it. Avoid
using obscure codecs since nobody really wants to have to install a
codec just to view one video.
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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by Qyot27 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:25 pm

PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Videos wrote:1) Thou shall not take any aspect ratio except one aspect ratio.
Don't intermix full screen video with letterboxed video. Changes
between the two are distracting for the audience. You want your video
to look like one complete product, but intermixing the two aspect ratios
works against that.
Broken, although I can't remember how badly (not including cases where I distorted the ratio by stretching 4:3 footage to 16:9). I may have had a couple videos that did this unintentionally when I was starting out, before I just faced the music and started cropping stuff.

I did, however, blatantly solve this conundrum with the RahXephon video I did. It switches between the fullscreen and letterboxed sections by way of a very very very obvious expanding and contracting border that bookcases the letterboxed portion of the video. It looks like an effect more than trying to mask how jarring it is to mix different ratios.
2) Thou shall make no image with subtitles.
Subtitles are bad. Don't do it. Text distracts the audience. They'll
be too busy reading to pay attention to the video. This also applies to
the logos that networks stick in the bottom-right corner.
Broken, both in my winning AMV Hell CE segment and any video I've released with softsubs.
3) Thou shall not let characters talk in vain.
Avoid having characters talking in the video (unless their lips are
synchronized with the lyrics.) If characters are talking while you
can't hear what they're saying, the audience is left wondering what
they're missing.
I do try to avoid this, but it hasn't always been held to.
4) Thou shall honor thy fellow creators.
Don't take anime footage from other videos. If you actually want to
make a good video, you'll need to do it right and record your own source
footage. Go buy the DVDs.
Broken too, on some early videos I've never released (a couple actually were released, after I went and got the DVDs and remastered them from scratch). This rule seems to be perfectly acceptable in cases of Kings and Retrospectives, though. :P
5) Thou shall not steal.
Yeah, Napster might be fun, but if you're going to use a song in a
video, go out and buy the CD. MP3s aren't the same quality anyway.
Plus, you'll get a warm, fuzzy feeling for supporting the music artists.
Broken too, although iTunes and Amazon make getting a legit copy much more comfortable these days.
6) Thou shall not let video static lie.
If you're recording from VHS, put a mask over that video static in the
bottom few lines of the screen. Seeing that hop all over the place
while the video plays is distracting...and it looks bad too.
Never had to break this one.
7) Thou shall not kill clips haphazardly.
Don't just stick in footage wherever it fits. Plan ahead and have them
fit with the music. Follow the beat of the music and plan clips around
that.
Oh, this is probably the most abused one on the list.
8) Thou shall not use footage more than once.
Avoid using the same video clip more than once. It shows that you
either have a very short memory or you didn't capture enough source
footage. If it's a humor bit, keep in mind that there's a reason
comedians never tell the same joke to the same audience twice.
Broken, once. Because the audio could forgive it.
9) Thou shall not covet thy editor's transitions.
Just because you have all these transitions doesn't mean you have to use
them. Only use what's appropriate for the scene. Putting in
transitions because they're "cool" isn't a good idea. Only use them if
they add to the story.
Broke this one with my Project 5555 segment.
10) Thou shall keep the output acceptable.
Nobody wants to download a 50 Mb video just to find out that it's been
poorly compressed with garbled sound. Use compression methods such as
QuickTime, MPEG, AVI/DivX, or high-quality RealMedia. Experiment until
you find one that works well...then feel free to stick with it. Avoid
using obscure codecs since nobody really wants to have to install a
codec just to view one video.
I would suppose that my near-100% consistent usage of MKV since 2005 falls under this if we go by 2003 standards (to say nothing of H.264 and AAC). Heck, I was still getting complaints about them up until about 2008, I think - long after people should be well acquainted with them because of that other community's release standards.

And I can't help but snicker at 'high-quality RealMedia'. There was a reason people avoided it then, just like they avoid it now. Regardless of how good or acceptable you could get them to look. The container/format is just a giant pain in the ass, speaking from the experience of actually encoding a RealMedia version of Nights back the first time I edited it, as well as the process of converting between it and other formats (prior to acceptable AviSynth methods coming about for them, anyway). Even WMV is easier to work with.
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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by Qyot27 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:29 pm

Qyot27 wrote:Breaking this rule seems to be perfectly acceptable in cases of Kings and Retrospectives, though. :P
Fixed.
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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by godix » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:47 am

As time goes on, I disagree more and more with the no lip flap rule anyway. Too many romances are nothing but a guy and girl staring at each other and never ever talking to one another. It just feels wrong.
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Post by Voices_Of_Ryan » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:38 am

:\ stereotypes are stereotypes because enough people thought they were good enough ideas too continue on with certain ideas or therories.... true
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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:52 am

waitasecond... "PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Videos" - he wrote that? seriously? People took PatD's comments about AMVs seriously at some point? :rofl:
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Post by ngsilver » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:25 am

I've broken almost every single one of those commandments. Most very intentionally after I knew better. :bzz:
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Post by JaddziaDax » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:37 pm

1. Is easy to get around if you crop things properly and make all the ARs match, however I've broken this one without cropping as well, only difference is it squashed the wide screen to full.

2. I've done this as well... the worst thing about subtitles is not that they are distracting, but just how much people will complain about them. The complaints is why I ended up cropping them out of my old videos.

3. Lipflap in moderation is not harmful, however it can come across as failed attempt to lipsync. I'm pretty sure I've broken this one, but not too much.

4. I admit, I'm guilty on this one >.>; I've done this twice not caring as well, for a couple of those early B-Day vids O:

5. I've broken this one, but I try to at least use iTunes anymore, if not buy the entire CD just to have a good copy of the song.

6. I've never used VHS footage, however I have neglected to crop off the black bars from DVD footage..

7. This is how I edit. There are usually a few things planned in my head, however the rest is usually left up to my intuition.

8. I'm pretty sure I might have done this once.. I honestly can't remember. I know I've used the same scene in two different videos.

9. I've done this.

10. Every single one of my early videos (2005 and before)

Wow looks like I'm a "shitty editor" lawl... but I guess that's what improving is for O:

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Re: AMV Taboos/Stereotypes/Cliches: Old and New

Post by Knowname » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:31 pm

PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: (No offense intended towards God or religion. Deal with it.)

1) Thou shall not take any aspect ratio except one aspect ratio.
Don't intermix full screen video with letterboxed video. Changes
between the two are distracting for the audience. You want your video
to look like one complete product, but intermixing the two aspect ratios
works against that.
I actually changed my full-screen content to wide-screen simply cuz I wanted to :P
PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: 2) Thou shall make no image with subtitles.
Subtitles are bad. Don't do it. Text distracts the audience. They'll
be too busy reading to pay attention to the video. This also applies to
the logos that networks stick in the bottom-right corner.
custom subs.... they're still bad (I HATE to read :x) but doable
PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: 3) Thou shall not let characters talk in vain.
Avoid having characters talking in the video (unless their lips are
synchronized with the lyrics.) If characters are talking while you
can't hear what they're saying, the audience is left wondering what
they're missing.
depends on the situation, sometimes (in memories) one can't really expect to hear all the conversation
PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: 4) Thou shall honor thy fellow creators.
Don't take anime footage from other videos. If you actually want to
make a good video, you'll need to do it right and record your own source
footage. Go buy the DVDs.
and I say, hey, why not?? :/ who's gonna stop me.
PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: 5) Thou shall not steal.
Yeah, Napster might be fun, but if you're going to use a song in a
video, go out and buy the CD. MP3s aren't the same quality anyway.
Plus, you'll get a warm, fuzzy feeling for supporting the music artists.
sometimes unavoidable, such as ocremix'
PatrickD's Ten Commandments of Anime Music Video wrote: 6) Thou shall not let video static lie.
If you're recording from VHS, put a mask over that video static in the
bottom few lines of the screen. Seeing that hop all over the place
while the video plays is distracting...and it looks bad too.

8) Thou shall not use footage more than once.
Avoid using the same video clip more than once. It shows that you
either have a very short memory or you didn't capture enough source
footage. If it's a humor bit, keep in mind that there's a reason
comedians never tell the same joke to the same audience twice.
and finally I say what?? what?? this guy obviously has a terrible grasp on comedy :|

the rest are all good though :D
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