Why do people only notice the BAD points of your video?

[Tab.]

You can try and justify my opinion about your AMV any way you like, Deary, but it doesn't change the fact that just like the originator of this thread...you don't understand what the true rewards in AMV making are. You just don't get it. *shrugs* Quite frankly, I pity you.

Yet what he's produced is still better than anything you've done, no matter how much time it took you

Irony is a cruel mistress, Matt, weren't you the one who said the proof was in the pudding?

On another note, I like how you consistently think that everyone who has something to say about your logic is doing it to get back at you or beat you. Been skipping on your thioridazine again?

par·a·noi·a
n.
A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.

[Onideus_Mad_Hatter]

Yet what he's produced is still better than anything you've done, no matter how much time it took you

Believe as you like, Tab, what you think is of no consequence to me what so ever. You'll be dead in less than a 100 years and no one is ever going to remember you for anything, least of all your OPINIONS about my work.

In regards to my AMVs, there are only two kinds of people, those who like them...and those who I don't give a fuck about. Guess which category you fall into? ^_^

Irony is a cruel mistress, Matt, weren't you the one who said the proof was in the pudding?

Oh the proof is in the pudding...but what good will it do you if your taste buds are all burned off?

On another note, I like how you consistently think that everyone who has something to say about your logic is doing it to get back at you or beat you.

Since I have never said such a thing, it must be an assumption on your part. I have NEVER grouped everyone into a single category. In fact multiple time throughout this thread I have made it a point to go out of my way and make that distinction. There are those who are truly just having fun in the debate, but then there are those who aren't. It's not always black and white, sometimes it's hard to read a persons motives, but in the case of AD, they've made it pretty clear what their intentions were. AD openly admited to taking what I said out of context and then attacking it in order to "try and get back at me" cause they thought I was attacking the original creator of this thread.

[Arigatomina]

Actually what you did was read the first 2 lines of my post and then you just jumped the gun without even reading the rest.

The reply: assumption

It is not assumption, it is fact, AD has already admitted to taking what I said out of context.

But that does not mean he didn't read it. It means he took one comment regardless of the rest of the post - not that he didn't see the rest of the post or read the rest of the post - only that he disregarded it. There's a difference between not reading and choosing to focus on one point where there is a difference of opinions.

You confuse being overly defensive with getting vexed at inherent stupidity that won't take the time to THINK and READ the whole post BEFORE replying. YOU did not read my original post very well AD, had you actually done so, you probably would not have replied at all in regards to it. You just read the first couple lines and suddenly yer subconsious screamed, "OOOooo, ARGUMENT!"

The entire reply: assumption and slander

It can't be assumption on my part, PAY ATTENTION.

You were still assuming he hadn't read it. The same assumption you've made from the start. As you admit here:

And I find it incredibly ironic that you replied in regards to my first post without actually reading or even attempting to understand all that stuff I wrote about how the WORK in and of itself was the TRUE REWARD.

The reply: assumption (the exact same assumption in the other replies, redundant much...)

It is an assumption that has a high probability of being true. The facts point to it as being likely. If AD had read the entire post, why was there no mention of the "rewards" of AMV making? That WAS the whole purpose of the post I made. Either AD is stupid and didn't read the whole thing, or AD was so quick to want to argue that they took what I said out of context. (the later of which has already been proven).

So you admit it's an assumption. Don't contradict yourself. Sure, it may be based on a good possibility of being true, but that doesn't mean it isn't an assumption. ^_^ Basing an argument around an assumption is faulty.

I was laughing at the originator of the thread not because I thought his work was slop for not spending weeks on end working on it, fuck I didn't even LOOK at his AMV. I was making fun of him because he thought that star ratings and opinions were the reward in making AMVs, when in fact the true reward comes from creating the AMV in the first place. And the reason that people like me get so much more "rewards" out of it, is because we understand that fact and thus, we put in the maximum amount of effort and TIME that we can.

The reply: has absolutely nothing to do with the comment quoted - does not address anything AD said in his post

It did not need to, as you just said, it was a comment, nothing more. Had it been in some form of a question or inquiry then what you're saying might have some relevance, but it does not. I simply replied to a comment with a comment of my own. AD pointed out the irony they saw and then I simply pointed out the irony of what AD was doing.

In which case it isn't a rebuttal at all. Good. My point was that if you intended that post to be a rebuttal it was a poor one. So long as it isn't meant to be a rebuttal but merely talking to yourself next to his points, that's fine. ^_^

You can try and justify my opinion about your AMV any way you like, Deary, but it doesn't change the fact that just like the originator of this thread...you don't understand what the true rewards in AMV making are. You just don't get it. *shrugs* Quite frankly, I pity you.

The reply: avoiding the issue, does not address the point AD brought up about the irony and changes the subject again (back to that same topic in the earlier assumptions)

I didn't avoid the issue at all. AD was attempting to justify the opinion I gave her video by saying it was all about ego and being self-centered, in essence she was doing exactly what the original author of this thread was doing, whining about not getting "good scores" and how their "reward" was ruined by people who were being "mean and nasty". At this point though I'm tired of arguing against that stupidity, which is why I told AD that they can justify it any way the like, but that the bottom line is that star ratings and such are meaningless, they are NOT the rewards of AMV making.

But you see, that wasn't the issue. The issue was that the thread is about people who review vids and only focus on the bad points. You reviewed a vid and only focused on the bad points. That was the issue you avoided here by talking about justification instead of facing the fact that you, like the person complained about in the thread, only focused on the bad points.

And further, I find it funny how so many of you are going on about how *I'M* supposedly trying to change the subject and avoid this and that, when thus far NOT ONE of you have even ATTEMPTED to formulate a counter argument about what I originally said, that the true rewards of AMV making come from the time and effort you put into it in the first place.

That's because few people have any problem with your opinion about the rewards that come with making a vid. ^_^ The only problem they have is with your mocking (snicker - yes we know that snicker is a sort of laugh that is darker in intent than a giggle - if I had a dictionary I'd say it better, but we know what a snicker is) - your mocking of a person for not spending as much time on a vid as you do on yours.

It doesn't take you out of context, it merely focuses on one point of what you said. If I say cat's are blue and cats make good pets because of some emotional gratification involved in caring for them then someone arguing with me wouldn't be taking me 'out of context' to argue that cats are not blue. Just because they don't focus on my belief about emotional gratification doesn't mean they didn't see my entire post. It just means they focused on the one point where we differed - focused on the topic of the dispute.

[BTW, is AD female?! ]

[Atvaark]

This whole thread is the proof (if one was needed) that time doesn't imply quality.

And this post is the proof that quality doesn't need time! 8)

[Arigatomina]

This whole thread is the proof (if one was needed) that time doesn't imply quality.

And this post is the proof that quality doesn't need time! 8)

I don't know about that, but it definitely proves that there's something to be said about 'arguing for the sake of arguing.' ^_^;; Very fun.

[And if a mod would be so kind as to split this, maybe the poor creator of the thread might get to focus on his issue instead of having it ruined by us quibblers. ^_^; ]

[Tab.]

It was more than that, you weren't paying attention to the content of what was being argued, you were only paying attention for the purpose of trying to "prove me wrong" or "get back at me". In reality, you probably don't have a single clue as to what any of us in this thread is even arguing about, only that you want to try and "prove me wrong" for whatever failing reason.

Which instances, specifically? Backpedal, uh oh, look out, backpedal! You know, Cupcake, you must just think everyone a FOOL to believe such FAILING attacks on my work. And let's face it, that's all your lil critique here is, a failing little attempt at trying to get at me, either cause you're just a bitter little ass itch whose mad at the world for being better than you'll ever be, or because I pissed in your Cheerios at some point or destroyed some pathetic little community you were partial to.

I could find more, but reading through the rest of the garbage to find those quotes out of your posts/comments took long enough.


Now lessee...

Believe as you like, Tab, what you think is of no consequence to me what so ever. You'll be dead in less than a 100 years and no one is ever going to remember you for anything, least of all your OPINIONS about my work.

Nice use of obvious but you missed the part where a LOT more people consider AD's work way up there, and.. well, I haven't come across one who's had anything good to say about yours You missed the point and the irony.. again.
And yeah, I'm sure you'll be in the halls of history for all those triumphant internet victories you waste your confused head on

In regards to my AMVs, there are only two kinds of people, those who like them...and those who I don't give a fuck about. Guess which category you fall into? ^_^

Guess who was stating a general consensus and not a personal opinion. SENSE MUCHQ?! LOl. btw, using much in that context and caps lock makes you a champ like wheaties.

[Onideus_Mad_Hatter]

But that does not mean he didn't read it. It means he took one comment regardless of the rest of the post - not that he didn't see the rest of the post or read the rest of the post - only that he disregarded it. There's a difference between not reading and choosing to focus on one point where there is a difference of opinions.

Had you been paying attention you would have seen that I gave two possibilities. Either AD read the whole thing and took it out of context purposefully to try and start a fight OR they didn't read the whole post and took it out of context because they were stupid and ignorant. Those are the two possibilies that I see. Now then, can you offer any other explanations as to AD's actions?

For if AD had indeed read my post, the only way they would have made their post in the first place is if they were doing it intentionally to start a fight. The only other possibility that I see is if AD simply didn't read the whole post. Both possibilites are logical and make sense, but we don't necesarily know which is right, I was merely offering the possible choices.

You were still assuming he hadn't read it.

Now whose trying to avoid the subject? If what you say is true you wouldn't have even bothered replying to the rest of my post at all because that first point would hold everything in it's balance. Uh oh, sidestep, backpedal, look out!

So you admit it's an assumption.

Technically speaking everything can be considered an assumption, at this point you're just trying to argue semantics for the sake of arguing.

Don't contradict yourself.

Why, is there a bee on me?

Sure, it may be based on a good possibility of being true, but that doesn't mean it isn't an assumption. ^_^ Basing an argument around an assumption is faulty.

o_O

...trust me, kid, you don't want to get into a debate over logistics with me. If you'd like though I can start breaking it all down into truth tables and REALLY lay into you. `, )

In which case it isn't a rebuttal at all. Good. My point was that if you intended that post to be a rebuttal it was a poor one.

That particular excert was a comment to a comment, anyone could plainly see that, the only reason it seems for you to think otherwise is because you were attempting to find something to argue about.
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But you see, that wasn't the issue.

Who are you to say whether it is or not? It has nothing to do with you when you get right down to it, it's between AD and I. Anything you say in regards to it is nothing more than speculation.

The issue was that the thread is about people who review vids and only focus on the bad points. You reviewed a vid and only focused on the bad points.

Actually, just on a side note real quick, there wasn't anything really negative about the opinion I gave on AD's video, it was very non emotional it it's format. In fact in one section I even went so far as to compare it's format to my Hellsing AMV.

That was the issue you avoided here by talking about justification instead of facing the fact that you, like the person complained about in the thread, only focused on the bad points.

Incorrect, you are now making the assumptions. You assert that my claim is false because it is in my best interest to make it. I'm sorry my friend, but that's what we call a logisitcal fallacy. More specifically a Circumstantial Ad Hominem. Just because I didn't respond directly in regards to what AD said does not make what they said true. I'm under no obligation at all to respond to such slander, I know that the opinions I gave about ADs video were quite neutral, so I have no need to argue against it. You make the assumption though that because I don't, then what AD says is automatically true, which as I pointed out, is a fallacy.

That's because few people have any problem with your opinion about the rewards that come with making a vid. ^_^ The only problem they have is with your mocking (snicker - yes we know that snicker is a sort of laugh that is darker in intent than a giggle - if I had a dictionary I'd say it better, but we know what a snicker is) - your mocking of a person for not spending as much time on a vid as you do on yours.

I never mocked anyone, that is your PERCEPTION of the post, however it's false because it simply doesn't add up with the rest of content in the post. If I was indeed attacking him, it would have been prevalent throughout the entire post. Your problem it seems, and this is the problem with many others in this thread, is that you've got a Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy going on. In the past and in other communities I have indeed "attacked" people for one reason or another, however those past actions have nothing to do with the post I made to the original author of this thread.

It doesn't take you out of context, it merely focuses on one point of what you said.

Wrong, there was only a single point in my post, that point was that the TIME it takes to make an AMV *IS* the reward. Taking that first part of my post of context can TURN IT into another point, but it is a false one. And again AD has already openly admited that they have taken me out of context, so I don't understand why you're even still trying to argue against blatant facts.

If I say cat's are blue and cats make good pets because of some emotional gratification involved in caring for them then someone arguing with me wouldn't be taking me 'out of context' to argue that cats are not blue.

...bad example, Russian Blue's are in fact a slight shade of blue/grey:




Of course it's also a bad comparison because that first part of the post is very clear in conveying the fact that I spend more time working on AMVs than the original author does, the second part of the post explains WHY.

There is a part in the first post where you might be able to imply that I was mocking him for thinking spending 8 days was a "long" time, however you really cannot imply that I was mocking him for not taking long enough to make it, the mocking was merely in regards to his PERCEPTION...which IIRC I actually mentioned. Again though, it all goes back to that Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy you and so many others are stuck on. That and your wonderful penchant for making strawmen for me to burn down.

[BTW, is AD female?! ]

Uh...I don't know actually. I've been trying to refer to AD directly and using "their" insead of "his" or "her"...*shrugs*

[Onideus_Mad_Hatter]

Nice use of obvious but you missed the part where a LOT more people consider AD's work way up there, and.. well, I haven't come across one who's had anything good to say about yours You missed the point and the irony.. again.

And what irony is that? That you think you're intelligent when really you're just an idiot? I mean, the one video I saw of AD's, I thought it wasn't very good, how does your saying "I've got teh people supporting me in teh e-mail!!!1!" change my opinion?

Wake the fuck up, Dribbles, it's *MY* opinion. And personally, I'm quite happy not be one of the roaming sheep out there following the herd.

And yeah, I'm sure you'll be in the halls of history for all those triumphant internet victories you waste your confused head on

Actually at this point I'm more famous for my contributions as far as pirating and the warez community. I am somewhat famous for my creative talent, however it's all encompasing, meaning it covers everything from AMVs to website design, to you name it.

In regards to my AMVs, there are only two kinds of people, those who like them...and those who I don't give a fuck about. Guess which category you fall into? ^_^

Guess who was stating a general consensus and not a personal opinion. SENSE MUCHQ?! LOl. btw, using much in that context and caps lock makes you a champ like wheaties.

Wow Tab, I'd never thought I'd see you fall so low that you'd have to start speaking for the masses. Next you'll all be like, "I'vE gOt tEh Pe3pS suPPoRtINg mE iN E-m@il!!!1!!"

Just as a suggestion, next time try just speaking for yourself, you'll look slightly less stupid...next time.

[Castor Troy]

This thread has become unreadable.

[Jebadia]

I'd like to see this thread continue without trying to bash one another, no matter what another person says...I bet it can't happen.