The "Good" AMVs on this website

[dj_ultima_the_great]

or even better, stop downloading the "bad" ones! no one will care either way.

You know, I've been having problems descerning the good from the bad ones because some vids, for some reason, don't have any opinions attached to them when 1, 2, or even 9 people give opinions. I can see WHO left opinions, but not read what they said. This then makes it very difficult for me to know if it's good or bad, and really makes searching for good vids difficult if the opinion isn't available. I know the opinions aren't given in the search results, but there seem to be more and more individual vid pages that don't have the opinions listed.

Well, if you donate, you can see the star scale stats of videos other than your own. Or so I have been told.
And stars are more often given than opinions (since they're basically mandatory for local downloads), so they should be more helpful.

Well, normally, I just download every single Local video of a particular anime - which, thankfully, I haven't had to sift through THAT many videos. I think that Ah! My Goddess was the most...around 600 videos, if I remember - which isn't a lot for a person with no life, a cable modem, and patience. (Of course, I haven't touched Eva, for the fear of its 2000+ videos. And thank COD that I'm not a fan of DBZ...)

However, when I just feel like looking for the good stuff, this is what I do: do a Super Search for the anime I feel like watching in a video. Look at all of the videos with more than three opinions, so I can see the score averages. If the Action sync is an eight or higher, the video is usually a pretty sure bet. Also, the other scores should be above a seven at least. It's not foolproof, of course, but it does usually weed out the really bad stuff. Try it sometime and see if that gets you more of what you want.


- dj_ultima_the_great

PS: I guess I have more to say, but I'm kind of getting sick of arguing the same point. So, I'll step out of the debate zone and just offer help if I can for other purposes - like the above paragraph.

[paizuri]

...but what if it's not just you? What if ALL the fanboys and fangirls did this! Then not only would the space in the org fill up, but there would also be a wide number of more bad videos to sift through.

You don't seem to understand: that, ultimately, is the Org's goal (well, part of the goal). To have every AMV ever made availible here.

I want to clear up a point here. The goal of AnimeMusicVideos.org is to accurately catalog all existing AMVs. The hosting of videos on a local server has and always will just be a welcome side effect.

Now to make some grand sweeping generalizations based on the discussions set forth in this thread.

- Popular does not necessarily equate to good.
- An individual person's definition of good may differ from someone else's.
- Just because a video is deemed good by a large amount of people does not guarantee that that same opinion will be shared by you.
- Lengthy posts do not necessarily equate to intelligent reasoning. It is possible to make intelligent statements that are concise and to the point.
- I may be ignoring other points brought up in this thread, but if I am, it is either because a) I do not think they are very relevant or b) I just plain missed them.

[trythil]

I understand that if you like the vid, and someone says it stinks, that's subjective yes. But the thing that bugs me from Trythil is that it's not "vic bashing" that he's ignoring. He comes off as soundling like he's ignoring EVERYTHING OTHER PEOPLES SAY, GOOD OR BAD! For example, if you made a video that you thought was good, but someone thought it could use some improvement (as in they see your idea or point, but have some suggestions for key scenes or parts) and then posted some constructive criticism, would you ignore it just because it's criticism alone?

Either you failed to read my posts (again!) or I'm not making this clear. I'll write this in big letters to sweep away the second possibility.

In AMVs, I can choose what I deem to be important, because it is done for my self-gratification, and, despite every analysis, I cannot find how doing what I want to do results in negative utility for anyone else.

Is this selfish? Yes, it is. It is a hobby that I indulge myself in for my own pleasure, and it is a hobby that I will engage myself in at my will. I do not regret it.

I don't see the problem in this.

I am now done. Just had to correct a misconception.

[trythil]

On later reflection, that sounded like something Ayn Rand or Leonard Peikoff would write. Not quite as eloquent, though.

[Corran]

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[BasharOfTheAges]

Oh, what the hell. I'll chime in on this. Regarding the whole why videos are made (for others, for one's self, for fame, etc.) I've seen --both in the world of AMV making, that of Cosplay, and that of a myriad of other psudo-artistic pasttimes like fanfiction and whatnot, that people often cry foul for judging them and their work... usually after it has alredy been judged, and it's not that good. These individuals fit into one of three groups

-Those that actually believe what they say and believed it before their motives/skills were questioned.
-Those that want to get all pouty and whiney when their abilities are questioned.
-Those that want to defend the first two groups for no spicific principle other than to argue... because we all know that's what the internet's for. And we all believe that fat cosplayers do it for fun

On the question of video quality. YES, MOST VIDS HOSTED HERE ARE CRAP. But that's okay because it makes the good ones that much better in comparison.

On origionality, I think quality editing ability is rare enough that it should be thought of more highly than music/anime in determining how origional a video actually is. Not that i would bother watching it, but a good LBZ vid would be quite origional given the myriad of bad ones.

On the subject of music, i don't believe that people intentionally listen to non top 20 music and use it in their AMVs to be edgy. It seems to me that the type of people you're dealing with (namely anime fans) have common tastes in music that differ from the mainstream crap that the radio stations try to push down our throats. On a personal note, my music tastes changed from mainstream radio faire to random this and that when i stopped listening to music all together back when i was about 12 because it complicated my ADD. Everyone has their reasons, some more complicated than others.

Finally -- regaining the origional topic of over-used series -- I don't mind if they're good, but therin lies the problem -- many aren't. Of course i've seen quite a few vids that used anime nowhere near the overused list and they were complete crap as well.

Also i know that not everybody feels the same way about what;s good and what's not, but i also know (from watching the reactions of those new to the AMV world) that quite a few people have no taste. Hell, i have people telling me that my stuff is great...

[didrox]

lets not turn this forum into something it wasnt in the begining (might be a litle late for that )

Earl6282 simply said that too many people here make shitty AMVs which in a large and picky enought scale is pretty true.

thing is OtakuMan22 said the wisest thing i heard here , in a nut shell: too many noobs need help and not enought "GOOD" AMV makers help.
do they deserve help ? nah , but should they indeed get some , i think so and so does OtakuMan22 (as far as they getting help).

i know somethings can only be achived thru experience thus learning by repetition and etc , but it would make easier to learn i someone who is regarded as "GOOD" gives you advice or tips or something instead of saying you suck and that you should quit .

and by copetition i ment that if you see 1 guy adding sick ass effects like darkening the background and leaving on the main character alone on the screen like a bad dream or something, eventually it will become a common thing thus making AMVs standards higher and thus producing better vids. without a similer outlook i belive nothing will improve AMV or otherwise .

so honestly and shortly, yeah, i agree with this guy :OtakuMan22, and think we all "GOOD" or not should help more noob , that way when this starts happening noobs notice that DBZ is played out and that it should only be touched to do something super-awesome DBZ will once again become a anime that will search for. otherwise it will stay like it is now ... common and boring .

by the way i do know that some people want to be spoon fed and they want to become the best AMV creator and every time they make a vid it be the shit .i also know that most dont want to perfect their craft , that they take 3 hours to make a vid and think its the shit. however if you tell them that instead of what they could have done better your just pointing out the obvious ...

where i get pissed at is credits that go on for like a minute or so... and most times its done by people who have done like 5 AMVs and claime to be "GOOD"

so thats were i stand (sorry if its not organized, i need to focus my thoughts )

[Pwolf]

for didrox:

first off, no one here gets paid to make amvs or <i>help</i> anyone making them. so why should "good" editors (or anyone for that matter) help noobs? most of the good creators i know don't have the time to help anyone. some advice? well, probably the number one thing is read the guides... everyone says it. a simple search or short read of the guides will give any newb all the information they need. the best way to get "advice" and "tips" is to get someone to look at one of their videos... if their good at giving feedback, they'll tell you want you can work on. but, you can't do that without making a video first. but you people are saying they shouldn't show anyone their dbz crap... if they don't want help and think they are good... so what, if you think they suck, then so be it! let them live in their little fake world.

also, what "good" editors here say "you suck and you should quit"? i see a lot of newbs say it to other newbs... any experienced editor knows how it was when they were starting out and i don't think any of them would tell any newb to just give up without reason... unless your sammy, but he's not that good anyway... :X ohh, look what i said...

as for the effects and competition? what makes an effects video better then one that doesn't use them? is it the effects? nope, kthxbye.

whats wrong with using DBZ or Naruto? why should it only be used when you are "good" and have an "omgawesomenesszors" idea? no one told me i couldn't use DBZ, why should we tell others they can't? how else will anyone learn if they <i>can't</i> use any anime they want.... it's suposed to be fun not demanding.

Pwolf

[didrox]

first off, no one here gets paid to make amvs or help anyone making them. so why should "good" editors (or anyone for that matter) help noobs?

its most likely true that no one gets paid to do amvs or help anyone making them , but to answer you questions (why should anyone help noobs) , i think a qualified reason would be: because they just might learn from you and teach someone else .how does that benefit you ? i guess it doesnt (its call "not being selfish" or "generous" (your choice really))

most of the good creators i know don't have the time to help anyone. some advice? well, probably the number one thing is read the guides... everyone says it. a simple search or short read of the guides will give any newb all the information they need.

its sad that all the "GOOD" AMV makers you know dont have time to help anyone else. I wonder if thats because when they needed help no one made time for them. either way its their call i dont really give a fuck (just thinking you might not know enoght "GOOD" AMV makers" and oh yes... Reading the damn guides... I took a look at those guides (in fact im tryin to learn how to rip footage from DVD now) and those guides suck. They are helpful however they are boring. and its not simple in fact its hard to get what you want. imagine a noob not knowing what your doing(plus there are times where they dont have what your looking for) going thru those guides in search of a program to edit your clips , then learning how to use that program , maybe those guides dont sound like such a good idea now huh ?. thats why i said that "GOOD" AMV makers should help noobs, so that they could understand the simple things and make a decent AMV then escalade from there. those guides are very helpfull thought if you have the time and patience and the basic understandments which a noob does not have if they did they would not be a noob....

well maybe they have time (but not basic knowledge and patience)

the best way to get "advice" and "tips" is to get someone to look at one of their videos... if their good at giving feedback, they'll tell you want you can work on. but, you can't do that without making a video first. but you people are saying they shouldn't show anyone their dbz crap... if they don't want help and think they are good... so what, if you think they suck, then so be it! let them live in their little fake world.

73 people looked at my vid and one left an opinion (funny hehe) seriously now ! hehehe having people "looking" at your vid is not the best way because most time they dont leave and opinion. and when they do its to either say it was awesome and nothing was wrong with it or your vid was so bad that you are a discrace to AMV makers everywhere and that if making bad AMVs were a crime youd be in death row (i said the second one a few times due to excesive credits damn those credits). and that aplys to people who are good at giving feedbacks because they will often tell you how they felt your was like not how you should make your next one.

were not saying dont show DBZ crap. were saying dont MAKE that DBZ crap make something that isnt crap if the cartoon was something less used(but still known) like ...uh somewhere along the lines of yu-gi-oh it would be better accepted (thats my opinion so dont no one start bitching and saying you dumb mofo you suck etc... i know i know)

i think the point of this thread was simple to discuss the overuse of they animes :DBZ, NARUTO (which i dont know what the fuck it is),maybe even BEBOP, and TRIGUN. and start being more orginal. however we realize that its that way (by using the overused animes) that so many noobs make their first AMV ...

well if you read all that then damn!

By the way Pwolf all that was to reply to the part of your comment that i felt was directed to me and some people only wish that other peopl would help others. its not a mendatory thing (thats why i like this site soo much) its just something that once in a while would be nice to happen.

anyways im out like a fat kid in a low cholesterol award ceremony.

[Knowname]

also, what "good" editors here say "you suck and you should quit"? i see a lot of newbs say it to other newbs... any experienced editor knows how it was when they were starting out and i don't think any of them would tell any newb to just give up without reason... unless your sammy, but he's not that good anyway... :X ohh, look what i said...

acturally that discussion was about selfish ppl and selfish ppl only not noobs. I welcome the random LBZ video to the local server. The question was, why make it available if you won't take opinions for it? I would also like to see proxy videos becoming opinionless. oping them is pointless anyway lol. KEVIN CALDWELL WE LOVE YOU! heh.