Time for a dumb video rant! Bring the flames!

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:14 pm

Yeah, basically the answer is to stop distroing and possibly stop listing my stuff on the database. Which I will do, and I will stop whining about pressure.

To address you pro's thing, don't you think koop has alot of pressure on him to top Euphoria?

...and? He made that thing in like two months. Which is how long it takes me to make one of my crap videos. Don't tell me it's hard for him, because that's just ridiculous. Sure, it took work, but everything takes work. He was able to do it, which means he can do it again, and again, and improve on it. The ability is there, it's just a matter of doing it again.

And whining about how you ONLY have one video that EVERYBODY creams themselves over is absolutely absurd. Be happy that your work made people happy, and shut the hell up.

Now, yes, again, I will shut up on this topic, because without anything to flame me over, there can be no pressure. I'm takin' my toys and I'm goin' home.

Cole · Post by **Cole** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:16 pm

Firestorm said what I was going to. Seems to me like the majority of people who've posted here are of a semi-similiar attitude: we like to make good AMV's, even if we know they won't be the most spectacular thing on the net. It isn't anybody's place to go saying "you have no business making AMV's" because this is America, dammit. But when you're participating in a community like this one, I think it's a valid thing to say "I haven't seen much quality lately" if that's how you feel. It seems a bit tacky to single out a specific video to start the thread (wasn't one of mine, phew), but I've seen other posts debating and listing examples of "great" AMV's on the org, I guess it was inevitable to say "well, what doesn't work?" That shouldn't discourage somebody from making AMV's, it should just serve as a prod to those working on their editing at getting better if they want to share their work. I don't mind if people tell me my stuff is crap. I freely admit my first vids were poorly planned, poorly put together, and not all that good. Participating here means opening yourself up to attention, be it negative or positive, so why not shoot for positive?

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:20 pm

:-*

I just don't like the fact that the thread was made to be used as an example. I mean, everything he said he could have put in an op to whomever made it. There's no need to go all out and give a link and user-name. There's "criticism" and then there's this crap.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:02 am

When did editing japanese cartoons to music turn into such a pity party?

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:17 am

Castor Troy wrote:When did editing japanese cartoons to music turn into such a pity party?

Since someone made a website revolving around them, and damn near 100,000 people joined :O

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:21 am

OK a few things:

1) Posting this as an op would help the person just as much... but only that person. These technical issues (which were the MAIN point of the thread) are things that many many people are having when it really is often a simple thing to fix.

2) Although I talk about the video's 'artistic' (and I use that term lightly) quality, I probably shouldn't have. It didn't matter that the concept wasn't really fleshed out much - it could have still be a fun video, but the glaring eyesores of subs and logos were really getting in the way.

3) This isn't about THOU MUST MAKE A GOOD VIDEO, it's about "Dude, don't shoot yourself in the foot before you try and run". Oh and Sarah, I like your videos and you dont have any of these technical issues (which, again, is the main focus of the thread). So quit saying about how much you suck and how threads like this put creators like you down... cause you don't suck... and this thread isn't about sucking anyway, it's about being dumb, which you're not

So, yes, in short there's nothing wrong with crappy videos but there's things wrong with dumb mistakes and many people are making them when they could be easliy avoided and save me and others from ripping our eyes out

I enjoy even the simplest of videos most of the time, when there are no distractions. I'd much rather be able to see a video without reading some non-sequitur subtitle about detergent.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:50 am

I can sum it up better and in fewer sentances.

Long story short wrote: It's against the rules to use downloaded footage and music. So don't, end of story.

Does that work?

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:11 am

SarahtheBoring wrote:Yeah, basically the answer is to stop distroing and possibly stop listing my stuff on the database. Which I will do, and I will stop whining about pressure.

To address you pro's thing, don't you think koop has alot of pressure on him to top Euphoria?
And whining about how you ONLY have one video that EVERYBODY creams themselves over is absolutely absurd. Be happy that your work made people happy, and shut the hell up.

By my original post, which I take it you didn't read all of, I meant that "Pro" editors have pressure too, though it may not be of the same type that you are perceiving is being "thrust" upon you. The pressure being to not become "Stale" or doing the exact same thing you did in 15 other videos is what "Pro" editors have to deal with. I don't care if I'm in the top 10%, Shit, I don't care if I'm in the top 50%. All I care about is the experience, which you apparently don't. I take the harsh criticism with the lighthearted, and I move on, better for the experience. I KNOW some of my videos suck ass, but you know what? I watch them, to remind myself what experience is.

SarahtheBoring wrote: Now, yes, again, I will shut up on this topic, because without anything to flame me over, there can be no pressure. I'm takin' my toys and I'm goin' home.

Everyone, I'd like to introduce you to my friend pity-party, now who's for tea and crumpets?

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:18 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:I can sum it up better and in fewer sentances.

Long story short wrote: It's against the rules to use downloaded footage and music. So don't, end of story.
Does that work?

No -- because that's not really the problem.

The problem (as I understand it, anyway) is that people don't seem to care about all those technical issues that can pop up when you do a video, likeo swapped in a capture, or whatever. These are all major distractors, but luckily, they are very easy to remove. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't do it, despite the fact that there's easily accessible guides abound on this site that describe, in detail, methods to correct all those issues.

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Tangent: Sure it may ethically wrong to use downloaded footage in a video -- but sometimes that's your only recourse, especially when you're using a source that you just can't obtain official material for, because of prices of import or lack of availablity.

Example: When I was working on my Kanon video, the only choices for sources were: (1) just over half of the series on import DVDs (in July 2002 that's all that was available), or (2) the entire series via fansubs.

Now this is going to sound like I'm covering my own ass, but I think I had a legitimate reason to use fansubs in this case. I needed scenes that just hadn't been released officially; I couldn't (and still can't) afford the imports; and I sure as hell wasn't going to wait around.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:20 am

trythil wrote: likeo swapped in a capture, or whatever.

What the hell -- that was supposed to read "like swapped fields in a capture". I hate my touchpad...