Anti-Trolling rule needs to take affect more?

[Gene Starwind 21122]

Now this is nothing against the editors, and I know people are going to say "well that just means you have to make better videos". However recently as I've been entering more contests I have been seeing a lot of the same videos winning. It's great the editor made an amazing video. I am impressed with the videos that I am seeing that are winning the categories don't get me wrong. They obviously deserve it. However to keep AMV Contests fresh and to allow other editors a chance the Anti-Trolling rule needs to be taking affect more.

The rule at AMA and Katsucon when I was running it, was at the time of submission if your video when it arrives to me has not won 3 or more major awards it was eligible. So sometimes we would have videos in the contest that had not been in any and then in that 3 month time span it won the awards. So technically I couldn't disqualify it.

I do research on the videos by searching for results here on the org and doing google searches on the AMV in " " and contest results. Sometimes it works, other times it does not. So there really is no solid database with all the contest that are out there now.

It is really up to the editors to honor the rules too. Maybe the freshness date of the AMV should be pushed to within the last 4 - 6 months. Not a year anymore. Narrow the window that the video could be out there?

What do you guys think?

Gene Starwind 21122

[Shui]

I think that's a cool rule you have there. But eh I don't see it being adopted too much.
After all the contest organizers want to show the Audience good vids. And if somebody sends in an awesome vid which has won 100 awards before well... you know that mouth sucked already 100 dicks but you could get yours sucked too

Also that's not trolling it's just being a shameless dick. Some people need the fame after all.

[UnluckyArtist]

I do think more of the serious contests should have a smaller window of freshness, 14 months seems a too loose. In that time a video could have screened at 99 places and won 134 titles. I guess some contests just want videos and don't give a flying fart about trolls, but having a 4-6 month rules would be healthy.
It would keep editors on their toes, making them have to do something new in order to participate with the new contests instead of letting them ride on the same one or two videos for a year and a half.

[ngsilver]

I think it's really up to the contest and coordinators to decide how fresh they prefer their videos. For me, for Youmacon, being at the end of the year and due to the focus of our content platform (showing the best of the past year) we generally don't don't care if a video has won a ton of awards. Our judging rules are a little different then most conventions as well, considering scores don't equate to awards. Overall I think in the end the videos that do win awards deserve them and our audience sees the best of what has been submitted.

Really, with the over saturation of contests, it's hard for smaller cons and contests to get good or new material with everyone submitting to the big contests (AX, Otakon, AWA, ect)

[Vlad G Pohnert]

I use the 6 month freshness rule, but there are drawbacks..

One thing that needs to be considered too when a large con with influence makes rules up for trolling, awards, etc. is also how it effects some of the small cons.. Also, there seem to be more AMV Contests then videos that people want to send anywhere too... Just a few things to consider

I would love to have a discussion at AWA as a lot of AMV Contest coordinators will be there on what kind of think might help but still keep it fair to all the cons out there... maybe we can at least come up with a few ideas or starting points.. We don't all have to be the same, but it would be nice to hear all the views

Vlad

[BasharOfTheAges]

My straight forward, un-filetered response is that "I'm putting on a show for the audience. Editor ego and butt-hurt don't really enter into it."

It's really a tad more nuanced than that. If you send me stuff my prescreeners have seen before at, say Anime Boston (where a number of them attended as guests, were on staff, or prescreened for them as well) when you might not be getting as favorable scores as you'd hope. As for other cons, just like my audience, most of my prescreeners weren't at those other cons - the fact that the videos they're watching may have been doesn't even register a blip on their give-o-shit meter.

If you have problems with people being trolls ostracize them socially, vandalize their cars, beat them up in a dark alley - don't make me do your dirty work for you.

[Vlad G Pohnert]

My straight forward, un-filetered response is that "I'm putting on a show for the audience. Editor ego and butt-hurt don't really enter into it."

It's really a tad more nuanced than that. If you send me stuff my prescreeners have seen before at, say Anime Boston (where a number of them attended as guests, were on staff, or prescreened for them as well) when you might not be getting as favorable scores as you'd hope. As for other cons, just like my audience, most of my prescreeners weren't at those other cons - the fact that the videos they're watching may have been doesn't even register a blip on their give-o-shit meter.

If you have problems with people being trolls ostracize them socially, vandalize their cars, beat them up in a dark alley - don't make me do your dirty work for you.

Awe... but you do such a good job of it

[TritioAFB]

Also that's not trolling it's just being a shameless dick. Some people need the fame after all.

Listen to this man, true words were never spoken before

[Kireblue]

I use the 6 month freshness rule, but there are drawbacks..

One thing that needs to be considered too when a large con with influence makes rules up for trolling, awards, etc. is also how it effects some of the small cons.. Also, there seem to be more AMV Contests then videos that people want to send anywhere too... Just a few things to consider

I would love to have a discussion at AWA as a lot of AMV Contest coordinators will be there on what kind of think might help but still keep it fair to all the cons out there... maybe we can at least come up with a few ideas or starting points.. We don't all have to be the same, but it would be nice to hear all the views

Vlad

I was actually waiting till after the con season to talk to you and some other people about this, but having this conversation in person at AWA is a good plan as well

My straight forward, un-filetered response is that "I'm putting on a show for the audience. Editor ego and butt-hurt don't really enter into it."

I get what you're saying about the show being for the audience, but I think that it's important to remember that we can't put on contests without the editors (in the same way that a football game is for the millions of fans in the stadium, but it needs the few dozen players on the field to actually happen). So I think that its important to at least consider their thoughts and dissatisfaction with the current state of AMV contest circuit.

[Ileia]

My straight forward, un-filetered response is that "I'm putting on a show for the audience. Editor ego and butt-hurt don't really enter into it."

I get what you're saying about the show being for the audience, but I think that it's important to remember that we can't put on contests without the editors (in the same way that a football game is for the millions of fans in the stadium, but it needs the few dozen players on the field to actually happen). So I think that its important to at least consider their thoughts and dissatisfaction with the current state of AMV contest circuit.

While I think that's true for some aspects of the contest (there are a few contests whose policies or behavior put them on my "never-enter" list), I don't think that lack of an anti-trolling rule is enough to keep me from entering a certain convention's AMV contest, I'm not going to withhold my entries over that. (and honestly I think that the "You wouldn't have a contest without us!" attitude is worse than trolling but I digress) Mostly because I don't really put the trolling blame on the con, but instead on the editor who is doing it. Getting upset at the contest itself is misdirection. "Look at how those rules were dressed! They were just ASKING to have a troll video sent to them!"