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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:39 pm

Propyro wrote:oh an done more thing ... a lot religions founded by patriarchal societies have a habbit of blaming women for all their problems in one way or another.
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Yes, but don't blame God (if you belive in one) for that. It's only because men have ruled the world for so long that they put women in their place with their anecdotes about the sin and inherent filth of the female race. Again, men write the bible, men dictate what scriptures to use (ever seen a female preacher/priest or leader of a church? not christian or jewish or islamic - all are led by men). That's just the way things are and has nothing to do with God's views on the matter, only with the men in charge who push their view of 'God.'
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Post by El Banana » Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:46 pm

There as also a period of time when women ruled the earth. This was around the time when women invented bread, and men had not yet realized that sex = procreation.

This immediately changed as soon as men realized they were as big a part of reproduction as women were. Even led to males locking women away to make sure they wouldn't have sex with other males.
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Post by Lyrs » Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:04 pm

El Banana wrote:There as also a period of time when women ruled the earth. This was around the time when women invented bread, and men had not yet realized that sex = procreation.

This immediately changed as soon as men realized they were as big a part of reproduction as women were. Even led to males locking women away to make sure they wouldn't have sex with other males.
did you get that from the Children of Earth series? just curious.
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Post by Propyro » Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:06 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
Propyro wrote:oh an done more thing ... a lot religions founded by patriarchal societies have a habbit of blaming women for all their problems in one way or another.
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Yes, but don't blame God (if you belive in one) for that. It's only because men have ruled the world for so long that they put women in their place with their anecdotes about the sin and inherent filth of the female race. Again, men write the bible, men dictate what scriptures to use (ever seen a female preacher/priest or leader of a church? not christian or jewish or islamic - all are led by men). That's just the way things are and has nothing to do with God's views on the matter, only with the men in charge who push their view of 'God.'
who said i blame god? Read my first or second post on this thread. Religions are fabrications of men(or women if it makes you happy), and like men themselves human religions are riddeled with flaws. hell just look at their histories, the strocities are rather plainly marked. god has little to do with religion, all it is, is a route that people use to secure power over the masses. Or at least thats what it was. By the way just because i hate religion dosn't mean i'm one of those pathetic anti-christians (satinism is an actual rational religion, AFAIK). antichristions do things soley to spite christianity and for no other reason (ie. "satanic" rituals).

Now how did i get to talking about that? :?

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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:59 pm

Propyro wrote:who said i blame god? Read my first or second post on this thread. Religions are fabrications of men(or women if it makes you happy), and like men themselves human religions are riddeled with flaws. hell just look at their histories, the strocities are rather plainly marked. god has little to do with religion, all it is, is a route that people use to secure power over the masses. Or at least thats what it was. By the way just because i hate religion dosn't mean i'm one of those pathetic anti-christians (satinism is an actual rational religion, AFAIK). antichristions do things soley to spite christianity and for no other reason (ie. "satanic" rituals).
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Cool your jets. I just said that so no one could use your complaint as a reason not to believe in God (saying he hates women, or some similiar idiocy). I know you didn't mean it that way, but I'm sure there are people here who would take it like that.

And I agree completely - most religious orders are merely cults to me, fear, domination, control. I don't prescribe to any since I'd rather not be led around by my nose and afraid to question the belief's I'm supposed to be following. But that doesn't mean I'm an athiest, just that I don't believe in men (not God, men) or women who try to tell me how to live my life.

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Post by El Banana » Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:05 pm

Lyrs wrote:
El Banana wrote:There as also a period of time when women ruled the earth. This was around the time when women invented bread, and men had not yet realized that sex = procreation.

This immediately changed as soon as men realized they were as big a part of reproduction as women were. Even led to males locking women away to make sure they wouldn't have sex with other males.
did you get that from the Children of Earth series? just curious.
Nope, I got it from Larry Gonick's "Cartoon History of the Universe."
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Post by Moonlight Soldier » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:44 pm

Ok then...anyways, I just read the topic and Lyr's original post, so no comments to the rest of you :P

Anyways, I agree it's annoying when people try to convert you. I personally am not religious, but that is not to say I don't respect people's right to choose their religion etc etc...I JUST DETEST IT WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO CONVERT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They get warned, then I tell them nicely to get off my case, you are not going to change my mind. Then if they're damn persistant and I feel no obligation to be nice because they are not respecting my choice, I tell the equivalent of SCREW OFF! (though I've never had to use those words :P )

It's the same with vegetarians and veagans etc etc. I'm going to eat my meat and dairy, don't patronize for it!

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Post by Propyro » Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:56 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
Cool your jets. I just said that so no one could use your complaint as a reason not to believe in God (saying he hates women, or some similiar idiocy). I know you didn't mean it that way, but I'm sure there are people here who would take it like that.

And I agree completely - most religious orders are merely cults to me, fear, domination, control. I don't prescribe to any since I'd rather not be led around by my nose and afraid to question the belief's I'm supposed to be following. But that doesn't mean I'm an athiest, just that I don't believe in men (not God, men) or women who try to tell me how to live my life.
huh? when did i get mad? all i did was say i never blamed god for anything and then told you where to look for proof. Guess i should have gone to another line to give my anti-fabricated-religion rant. meh, opps.

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Post by Trident » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:29 pm

Moonlight Soldier wrote:Anyways, I agree it's annoying when people try to convert you. I personally am not religious, but that is not to say I don't respect people's right to choose their religion etc etc...I JUST DETEST IT WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO CONVERT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah... that's the problem with most churches. They tell us that the Bible sez "Go ye therefore into all the earth and preach the gospel," but they don't tell us how to do it. I've kinda discovered that, if the person hasn't come up to me first and asked about that Jesus guy, though I should be open about my beliefs, I shouldn't try to push. Pushing people to accept something they don't want just makes the person want to reject it even more...
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Post by Chousho » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:55 pm

Sometimes, when I feel like I have no friends or that I'm not loved, I might think there is no God, but I always wind up going back to the conclusion that there is. You don't have to believe 100% of the time that he's there to obey him 100%.
Take it like this. If a mother thought there was a 50% chance that her child was gonna run in the street, would she put 50% effort into stopping her child? She'd probably put all of her effort into it.
The thing that people don't seem to realize is that everybody is a sinner (before you flame me, read the rest! :roll: ) Sinning is just not obeying God, or those in authority over you. I'm pretty sure that everybody has done that at some point. Although, in God's eyes, all sins are the same, no sin is greater than another. Lying to somebody, and killing somebody is still a sin. The punishments are different, but the fact is both are still considered sin.
However, there was an atonement (payment), made by Jesus (who was the only perfect man to live on earth (perfect as in sinless) because He was God and man in one.) He basically became all of our sin, so that God wouldn't condemn us for our sins. So basically, we're still sinners, just saved by grace.
Note, sinner is used to denote people that have done any type of wrong thing, not like some people might think is meant by singling people out or something... so basically we're all sinners, you just have to put your trust in God, and your set.
That's what I believe anyways, Everybody that's reading this will know the truth for sure as soon as they die.
(that sounded a little too morbic :D )


ps. I'm not one of those people who yells out for no reason, or starts saying stuff you don't know for some reason. I'm just me, who believes in God, and loves Jesus. I don't seduct little boys, :shock:
I'm not catholic anyway (or whatever those priests, bishops, whatever, were)

Hope that helped people get their view of me! :D

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