Everyone and I do mean everyone run out to Best Buys now!!!

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:51 am

that was dirretced at VegettoEX, sorry everyone else

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:00 am

...it's not illegal if somebody buys a R2 DVD player for you in Japan and ships it to you in the US, and you bring it back and forth. Don't try and argue the law.

If you buy HK bootleg DVDs, it's illegal and called piracy, period. If you order R2 DVDs and an R2 DVD player in Japan and bring those to the US, it's perfectly legal. AFAIK, Ashton is going to be doing that when he comes back from Japan, as well as ErMaC did that.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:29 am

I'm not arguing that region free imports are illegal. (For the purposes of clarity, Brain as we call him, co-ops in Hong Kong but often makes trips to Japan for job purposes. There he goes on mad spending sprees and returns 6 moths later with crinos gifts.). I am well aware of that fact. And I do not deny owning a few. The point I am trying to display is that no one can tell me not to import what I desire. Sure it was incorrect of me to purchase a DVD from a foreign source, when it is licensed by another in my country. But there is nothing that anyone can or will do. Now if my source were selling them to me, at a profit no less, then yes you would be correct in tell me that I am not. And I will not deny that I have paid for a couple DVD's hes brought back (Fushigi Yugi for example.) Yes it's some what illegal that I did pay a third party for the material. But much like scalping, is it really bootlegging if the third party makes not money of the deal? If so then yes, I have several (more) illegal purchased DVD's. And then I will just have find a new method. One way or another I will get what I desire semi-legally (not to be confused with illegally.)

And not that fatigue has officially set in I will retire. My arguments and my body. Settle it amongst your selves. Is Mr. Pilkington an immoral bastard or not?

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:32 am

Mr Pilkington wrote:Earlier today I was out running around aimlessly (Long story short: I have to finish off a tank of gas before I can take my Emissions test again, need the juice to tale effect.) when I deiced to stop in to Best Buy's for a minute to check out some prices. When to my surprise I saw the full 26 (TV) episodes to Nadesico! Only 60 bucks I though! Well I just got paid and I have money burning a hole in my pocket, so I picked it up. When I got to register the thing rang out @ $29.99 (Price tag of $59.99!!) Fuck me running!!! I thought, but kept my damn mouth shut for fear of loosing my golden opportunity. How much ass!! So much ass does that kick!!

Moral of the story: Run, now! Don't delay!! Don't even stop to read the responses!! Go get your own copy before this insanity ends

dude it been like that for a while

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:33 am

dude I gotta shut my mouf, nvrmind

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:47 am

Mr Pilkington wrote:I'm not arguing that region free imports are illegal. (For the purposes of clarity, Brain as we call him, co-ops in Hong Kong but often makes trips to Japan for job purposes. There he goes on mad spending sprees and returns 6 moths later with crinos gifts.). I am well aware of that fact. And I do not deny owning a few. The point I am trying to display is that no one can tell me not to import what I desire. Sure it was incorrect of me to purchase a DVD from a foreign source, when it is licensed by another in my country. But there is nothing that anyone can or will do. Now if my source were selling them to me, at a profit no less, then yes you would be correct in tell me that I am not. And I will not deny that I have paid for a couple DVD's hes brought back (Fushigi Yugi for example.) Yes it's some what illegal that I did pay a third party for the material. But much like scalping, is it really bootlegging if the third party makes not money of the deal? If so then yes, I have several (more) illegal purchased DVD's. And then I will just have find a new method. One way or another I will get what I desire semi-legally (not to be confused with illegally.)

And not that fatigue has officially set in I will retire. My arguments and my body. Settle it amongst your selves. Is Mr. Pilkington an immoral bastard or not?

<doesn't read senseless dribble>
yes kids, it is illegal. Just accept that if somebody in power wanted you in jail he could, ppl in power (not just RIAA but RIAA is pretty bad) are all jackasses!

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:49 am

so don't do anything that would seriously piss anybody (in power) off and your gold

Beefmaster10000 · Post by **Beefmaster10000** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:07 am

Too bad I can't get no deals like that here, as I have no best buy near me.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:10 am

Quote this law, NicholasDWolfwood. Maybe you're confused by the Drug War propaganda that wrongly says that both a buyer and seller engaged in illegal activity are both equally guilty and need equal punishment, and that is being applied to other crimes. It is illegal to bootleg and sell DVDs, bar none. It is not illegal to buy said bootlegs. After all, from a legal standpoint, how are you, Mr. Average Joe Blow, supposed to know a real from a fake? You're being burned just as much as the makers of the original DVDs. Good luck proving this in court, or even getting it heard. Not to mention the legal cost of even filing the papers is probably worth more than the loss to the company.

Once again, you can buy an HK bootleg, and it is perfectly legal.

On the other hand, if Mr. Average Joe Blow were to buy a DVD copying rig and start selling discs out of his garage without permission or an agreement with the copyright holders, then a case could easily be made that Mr. Average Joe Blow is bootlegging and causing provable actual or potential loss to a company. Boom, a good court case.

Maybe I'm ignorant or something, but bootlegging as a term (and regarding legal matters) is only applicable to people who do the actual bootlegging (copying and cracking gangs in Hong Kong or Russia, for instance), as well. Like xerox, kleenex, and other brand names that have been converted into everyday terms, bootlegging has been corrupted into an all encompassing term for both the actual bootleggers and distributors, as well as the customers. This is inaccurate. A bootlegger is a person who illegally makes and distributes (for a profit, usually) an otherwise legal/regulated product, ONLY. A customer is, well, a customer, and can rarely be proven or held liable for what they buy.

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 2:15 pm

But you can prove you have bootlegs.

Region Free, Chinese Subtitles, logo on the front, etc.

AnimeMusicVideos.org

Everyone and I do mean everyone run out to Best Buys now!!!

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