Next gen DBZ amv (Brand new concept)

kain2983 · Post by **kain2983** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:00 pm

I thought you timed the video well but other than that I didn't care for it a whole lot. Mainly because it was the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again. Another thing that bothered me about this video was the words that you added. At frist they didn't bother me, but then they just kept on coming. And that wasn't the worst of it some of the words you used were really bad. Like the part where Goku is hurt and Gohan is shaking him it says something like you were beating them silly. What was that about? Also your promise of a different DBZ video was a complete lie it was a normal DBZ video with flashes and words added. But the basic concept of this DBZ video is the same as almost every other DBZ video.

Also another thing that you said that bothered me was that you couldn't find a decent DBZ video. DBZ is the most used anime on this site so if you can't find a decent video to it you can't be looking very hard.

ssjvackar · Post by **ssjvackar** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:34 am

kain2983 wrote: Also your promise of a different DBZ video was a complete lie it was a normal DBZ video with flashes and words added. But the basic concept of this DBZ video is the same as almost every other DBZ video.

Also another thing that you said that bothered me was that you couldn't find a decent DBZ video. DBZ is the most used anime on this site so if you can't find a decent video to it you can't be looking very hard.

When I said I coudn't find a decent dbz amv I meant that I could only find them in the top 10%, I could find NONE when using the normal search. Try it for yourself and you'll know what I mean.

When I said I was going to deliver a different kind of amv I meant with respect to the ones that I find while searching.

Also i'm not really sure what you meant by saying that this is exactly like any other DBZ amv, only with better effects. Thats like saying that the most expensive car you can by today is exactly the same as the cheapest one you could buy 20 years ago, only with better features, it makes no sense.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox · Post by **Zaphod_Beeblebrox** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:41 pm

Bote wrote:Actually, sometimes it's really impossible, if you have lots of motion, flashes, pretty colours and action. Add a not so good DVD source and voila.

The DVD source can be dealt with to a certain extent by using filters, it's not that much extra work just to add deen to an AVS script, and he/she could reduce the frame size a bit...encoding in nearly full DVD resolution isn't generally recomended for an online distro version...plus it wasn't even in 4:3 , but on a side note: even the local upload of Toushi is only 63mb and videos don't get much more flashy and effecty than that.

Undertow · Post by **Undertow** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:06 pm

Well, one more thing that i have to say you succeeded in, you made an already shallow and stupid story into something even more shallow and stupid.
I do have to add, this one only lasted for 5 minutes, which lessened the pain atleast a minor bit.

Jaghave · Post by **Jaghave** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:22 pm

Undertow wrote:Well, one more thing that i have to say you succeeded in, you made an already shallow and stupid story into something even more shallow and stupid.
I do have to add, this one only lasted for 5 minutes, which lessened the pain atleast a minor bit.

Ouch, that was cruel

VegettoEX · Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:36 pm

ssjvackar, if you're going to make the kind of outlandish comments that you did with the post and description, you can't honestly believe that you're *not* going to get anything like that in response, and most likely not in the way you're hoping.

Completely ignoring the fact that writing out the story via text in your video completely draws away from any story you're trying to tell on your own with the traditional editing (which is entirely subjective and up to both the editor and viewer to examine on their own terms), the grammar in this text isn't exactly top-notch. That doesn't show a whole bunch of professionalism.

No, there are no effects in this video that have not already been done in other DBZ videos. You've told the story of the movie, itself (in an entirely linear fashion). Already it's not exactly at the height of innovation or originality, so don't claim it is. It's perfectly fine that the video doesn't break-the-mold (so to speak), but throwing a hissy-fit when someone points that out isn't exactly the best stance to take.

Yes, this footage *can* look better at a much smaller filesize. Having worked with FUNimation's release of DBZ movie 5, myself, I can tell you that it's actually one of their better releases, and cleans up quite well. There are no "effects" in this video that definitely require as high as size as you've used to maintain their effectiveness. It's simply a poor compression job, plain and simple.

Furthermore, if you haven't found other good DBZ videos that aren't on the Top 10% list, I think you've missed out on the fantastic "Videos Using Dragonball/Z/GT" thread over in the "Recommended AMVs" forum.

It also doesn't matter what you write about the video or how you feel about the video or how you made the video or... blah blah blah. When people watch a video, they watch a video for themselves. In general, they don't know you, don't know what you put into the video, don't know the process of how you want about making it, etc. And quite frankly, no-one really cares. What people do when they watch a video... is watch a video.

You're more than entitled to enjoy the process of making the video. You're more than entitled to make a DBZ video. You're more than entitled to love your video to death. In fact, I and the community at large *encourage* you to do all three.

At the same time, be aware that everyone else is equally more than entitled to have a different opinion. The instant your video leaves your digital hands and winds up with an audience, you've exposed your work for general viewing and criticism. If you can't deal with that fact, perhaps it's a good idea to take a step back, enjoy making the videos on your own, and just continue to have fun with it, ignoring the general public.

Crying about poor reviews on a video isn't going to make anyone else want to check it out, that's for sure. Enjoy your own work, have fun, and be aware that other people just might not feel the same way about your own work that you do!

(And folks, wanna-be-elitist, anti-DBZ comments make you look like just as much of a fool.)

Digital Mantra · Post by **Digital Mantra** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:55 pm

Well, thanks for affirming everything I hate about the pre-conditioned perceptions of american dbz.

I love Dragon Ball, the world the people the events the constructs in general. But I hate the american version. It took away the whole aspect of Zen and awe-inspired greatness. In japanese everything seems in it's right place, the language suits the enemies and vice versa. To put it simply, the japanese version wasn't a pile of cheesy one liners like the american was, which is what you based your entire amv concept on!

Editing was good, song was alright I guess, neverheard it, don't really want to hear it again either.. flashy, well placed cuts, etc blah blah blah.
It still makes me angry how western anime fans can undulge interest in such a petty form of expressing dbz. No wonder there are so many haters out there.

ssjvackar · Post by **ssjvackar** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:02 pm

Undertow wrote:Well, one more thing that i have to say you succeeded in, you made an already shallow and stupid story into something even more shallow and stupid.
I do have to add, this one only lasted for 5 minutes, which lessened the pain atleast a minor bit.

If you think that DBZ is 'stupid and shallow' then thats you're opinion, but as was pointed out in another post, DBZ is the most used anime at a-m-v.org so there are a lot of people who would disagree with you on that. And if you don't like the amv I don't care, I did not make this amv to etnertain YOU exclusively.

And you're not exactly one to talk, your amvs leave a lot to desire in their own right.

[MOD42: Watch the personal attacks. Also, don't stray into a general argument over DBZ, that belong in General Anime.]

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:29 pm

lens flares, flashes, piano keys, and subtitles... not to mention the shine effect... all have been so overused it isnt funny... i must say, i've seen it all before, maby to different footage, but as SQ's video said as it beat me in iron chef... Its all been done before... sorry, amvs to certain animes just cant be original, not just dbz, there are many others... but as i said, its all been done, best to just move on and try again next time... no one can make great amv's everytime they try, it takes time, patience, and lots of trial and error... believe me, i've been at this for longer then you... and what vegettoEX (gunna give it to ya) said, i didnt read all of it, but hes been at this for a long time, and he knows what he's talking about when it comes to DBZ, lots of us arent trying to just bash your vid, were just trying to give pointers to help you make better vids, so you dont make the same mistake again.
and about the post title, dont make claims like that for ANY video, even if it is true...

.:SR:. · Post by **.:SR:.** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:03 pm

I do like DBZ, And I've watched a lot of good DBZ videos out there...

..I don't want to be mean or anything, but I laughed while watching this video, you used a lot of lensflares and -many- text (Sometimes the text was just out of place). And as a suggestion, don't use text just like that.. It has to have a purpose, and I feel like I -read- the video instead of -watching- it.

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