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[Vivaldi]

@Xelestial

Honestly when people post a video here they know they are releasing it to a community of other editors rather than the general viewing public. Our job/duty as other editors is to make suggestions as to how an editor can make their video more appealing to the general public and look professional (although the concept of a professional amver is practically a joke in its own sense).

To summarize, if we don't tell someone their work is awful, they'll never feel motivated to get any better. I believe theres actually a quote in "Sword of the Stranger" along similar lines. And while it does seem like we may be harsh, especially myself, it's only done with the best intentions although I do admit I enjoy pointing out the short comings of other peoples editing. But instead of just saying "bad video", I tell them what they did incorrectly and hope they address the problems I pointed out or at the very least consider them. This is the most I'll do for another editor. They took the time to make a video to display their skills so I'll take the time to write out exactly in what departments their skills need to be improved. If you wanna call me an asshole for it, do what you will, you probably did anyway.

And the people saying he takes crit well are joking, he didn't take it seriously at all and thats the problem. All I can say is when a vast majority of your posts about your video are excuses for short comings rather than responses, it's time to re-evaluate your video.

The thing is, motivation doesn't quite work like that. Comment's such as those, weather they're true or not, aren't so much motivating to get better, as completely discouraging. I'm not saying you should sugercoat your comments, but one of the first rules of teaching, you always mention at least one good point of the subject (video). Even if it's a narutopark Z amv, you can always point out something that's good. Even if it's just a little, it'll balence it out. (No matter what you say, feelings of total failure is not natrually motivating.) In this case you could've at least pointed out the broad range 1/5 is covering in this case. It may deserve that rating, but even so it's better than alot of amvs out there.

All that said, I agree with everything you pointed out. It was just a little too selective.

[dreamawake]

@Xelestial

Honestly when people post a video here they know they are releasing it to a community of other editors rather than the general viewing public. Our job/duty as other editors is to make suggestions as to how an editor can make their video more appealing to the general public and look professional (although the concept of a professional amver is practically a joke in its own sense).

To summarize, if we don't tell someone their work is awful, they'll never feel motivated to get any better. I believe theres actually a quote in "Sword of the Stranger" along similar lines. And while it does seem like we may be harsh, especially myself, it's only done with the best intentions although I do admit I enjoy pointing out the short comings of other peoples editing. But instead of just saying "bad video", I tell them what they did incorrectly and hope they address the problems I pointed out or at the very least consider them. This is the most I'll do for another editor. They took the time to make a video to display their skills so I'll take the time to write out exactly in what departments their skills need to be improved. If you wanna call me an asshole for it, do what you will, you probably did anyway.

And the people saying he takes crit well are joking, he didn't take it seriously at all and thats the problem. All I can say is when a vast majority of your posts about your video are excuses for short comings rather than responses, it's time to re-evaluate your video.

Indeed, and @Xelestial: He's not really a beginner anymore, he's released quite a few videos on the org and they all {imo} were pretty terrible.

So again, x2 what Reda said \:

and @Vivaldi: "The thing is, motivation doesn't quite work like that. Comment's such as those, weather they're true or not, aren't so much motivating to get better, as completely discouraging. " Is complete bullshit. When I first started editing with vegas and KingDavid was teaching me, he tore everything I made the fuck apart, was harsh as possible, and didn't leave 1 good comment.

You know what I did? Used that as motivation and got fucking better to the point where he couldn't say much bad about my stuff. Motivation through hatred does indeed work quite well. >_>

[Goketsu]

Indeed, and @Xelestial: He's not really a beginner anymore, he's released quite a few videos on the org and they all {imo} were pretty terrible.

So again, x2 what Reda said \:

and @Vivaldi: "The thing is, motivation doesn't quite work like that. Comment's such as those, weather they're true or not, aren't so much motivating to get better, as completely discouraging. " Is complete bullshit. When I first started editing with vegas and KingDavid was teaching me, he tore everything I made the fuck apart, was harsh as possible, and didn't leave 1 good comment.

You know what I did? Used that as motivation and got fucking better to the point where he couldn't say much bad about my stuff. Motivation through hatred does indeed work quite well. >_>

I guess I agree with both you and Vivaldi. For me like when someone leaves what some consider "harsh" criticisms like what Reda gave it motivated me to get better and the fact that he points out everything he didn't enjoy about it really helps alot cause you know exactly what you did wrong at least so you can fix it for the next time. But I kinda agree with Vivaldi as well cause I think generally alot of editors would get discouraged by that type of criticism but personally it helps me out alot and I would rather have that type of criticism than repeat the same mistakes so ya thats just my opinion either way you look at it though I'd much rather have things like that then people saying " This amv sucks 0/5" without saying why they think that

[Vivaldi]

@Xelestial

Honestly when people post a video here they know they are releasing it to a community of other editors rather than the general viewing public. Our job/duty as other editors is to make suggestions as to how an editor can make their video more appealing to the general public and look professional (although the concept of a professional amver is practically a joke in its own sense).

To summarize, if we don't tell someone their work is awful, they'll never feel motivated to get any better. I believe theres actually a quote in "Sword of the Stranger" along similar lines. And while it does seem like we may be harsh, especially myself, it's only done with the best intentions although I do admit I enjoy pointing out the short comings of other peoples editing. But instead of just saying "bad video", I tell them what they did incorrectly and hope they address the problems I pointed out or at the very least consider them. This is the most I'll do for another editor. They took the time to make a video to display their skills so I'll take the time to write out exactly in what departments their skills need to be improved. If you wanna call me an asshole for it, do what you will, you probably did anyway.

And the people saying he takes crit well are joking, he didn't take it seriously at all and thats the problem. All I can say is when a vast majority of your posts about your video are excuses for short comings rather than responses, it's time to re-evaluate your video.

Indeed, and @Xelestial: He's not really a beginner anymore, he's released quite a few videos on the org and they all {imo} were pretty terrible.

So again, x2 what Reda said \:

and @Vivaldi: "The thing is, motivation doesn't quite work like that. Comment's such as those, weather they're true or not, aren't so much motivating to get better, as completely discouraging. " Is complete bullshit. When I first started editing with vegas and KingDavid was teaching me, he tore everything I made the fuck apart, was harsh as possible, and didn't leave 1 good comment.

You know what I did? Used that as motivation and got fucking better to the point where he couldn't say much bad about my stuff. Motivation through hatred does indeed work quite well. >_>

No matter what you say, feelings of total failure is not natrually motivating

I guess that would be the key sentence here.

I'm not saying that it's impossible for someone take take anger, or disipointment, or whatever feelings come from the ashes and turn that into motivation. But that's extreamly dependent on a case to case basis. If you were able to shrug aside resentful feelings and strive higher, then more power to you. But it's not the natrual outcome at all. These comments aren't motivating at all. Your personality just uses them to feed your personal motivations. Comments that are motivationg in the first place and still tell you what was wrong works on a much larger scale then tearing something apart and hoping for the slim chance they get a sense of mentorly resentment instead of complete dejection.

In other words, you don't need to be a complete jerk to get your point across.

[Moonie]

@Xelestial

Honestly when people post a video here they know they are releasing it to a community of other editors rather than the general viewing public. Our job/duty as other editors is to make suggestions as to how an editor can make their video more appealing to the general public and look professional (although the concept of a professional amver is practically a joke in its own sense).

To summarize, if we don't tell someone their work is awful, they'll never feel motivated to get any better. I believe theres actually a quote in "Sword of the Stranger" along similar lines. And while it does seem like we may be harsh, especially myself, it's only done with the best intentions although I do admit I enjoy pointing out the short comings of other peoples editing. But instead of just saying "bad video", I tell them what they did incorrectly and hope they address the problems I pointed out or at the very least consider them. This is the most I'll do for another editor. They took the time to make a video to display their skills so I'll take the time to write out exactly in what departments their skills need to be improved. If you wanna call me an asshole for it, do what you will, you probably did anyway.

And the people saying he takes crit well are joking, he didn't take it seriously at all and thats the problem. All I can say is when a vast majority of your posts about your video are excuses for short comings rather than responses, it's time to re-evaluate your video.

Indeed, and @Xelestial: He's not really a beginner anymore, he's released quite a few videos on the org and they all {imo} were pretty terrible.

So again, x2 what Reda said \:

and @Vivaldi: "The thing is, motivation doesn't quite work like that. Comment's such as those, weather they're true or not, aren't so much motivating to get better, as completely discouraging. " Is complete bullshit. When I first started editing with vegas and KingDavid was teaching me, he tore everything I made the fuck apart, was harsh as possible, and didn't leave 1 good comment.

You know what I did? Used that as motivation and got fucking better to the point where he couldn't say much bad about my stuff. Motivation through hatred does indeed work quite well. >_>

No matter what you say, feelings of total failure is not natrually motivating

I guess that would be the key sentence here.

I'm not saying that it's impossible for someone take take anger, or disipointment, or whatever feelings come from the ashes and turn that into motivation. But that's extreamly dependent on a case to case basis. If you were able to shrug aside resentful feelings and strive higher, then more power to you. But it's not the natrual outcome at all. These comments aren't motivating at all. Your personality just uses them to feed your personal motivations. Comments that are motivationg in the first place and still tell you what was wrong works on a much larger scale then tearing something apart and hoping for the slim chance they get a sense of mentorly resentment instead of complete dejection.

In other words, you don't need to be a complete jerk to get your point across.

You probably better just let it go so things don't get out of hand or something.
Differen't people have differen't ways of doing it and if its a good way or not,
saying something about it is not going to change the way they do it.
I compeletly agree with you that its not the best way to do it
and you don't have to come of as a jerk to give good feedback on someone's video.
I know editors that can give a complete run down on every event in an AMV
without writing it out the way some people around here do their "feedback"
They are some of the most helpful editors IMO

Just continue to give feedback the way you do and don't worry about others that you think are not leaving good feedback or being a jerk.
Usually telling them that, just causes drama and brings other people in to add on it.
Trust me I know >.>
A while back i had a confict with another member becuase of the way he was
leaving "feedback" on other member's videos.
All it usually does is cause drama.
I've seen lots of threads have problems becuase of that kind of thing.

Just chill and eat some puding ^_^

[Bauzi]

I think Reda was with his 1/5 a bit exaggerated, but eh... who takes a 1/5 serious? However there lies a lot of truth in his comment.

Ok I downloaded it and I really was surprised at the beginning. I think I liked it somehow, but than the editing with all this seriously strange syncing and blurs came along.

If somebody would pass me the vid I would say that it´s a beta. There are so many things that just need more effort and changes! There was potential behind the core of the idea. Even the lipsync wouldn´t be that odd if it would be proper executed.

Yeah you get a cookie for still doing the stuff you like after all the critic you already got on your vids. I mean nobody has to change? Anyway than if you do, you shouldn´t wonder about critic.

A mix of good and bad effects, the video shows a good knowledge of editing.

@guy: Definatly not. I really think that you can say objective that this wasn´t really good knowledge about editing. Hiting beats and to sync isn´t that hard.
Now go and make another video wich you consider to be bad ... and I´ll like it again

[Kalium]

There is such a thing as synching too much. If anyone ever needs an example, this is the poster child. Let's take it from the top.

- Right off the bat, I notice that the outlines on the characters are nowhere as smooth as they should be.
- You had me with "came in through the window"
- And lost me with the very next scene. How random is this? A guy tapping his fingers? Yes, it synchs, but what a horrible break in flow.

Actually, you know what? I'm not even going to talk about the color and blur effects. Most of it feels like you're just showing off. You can do those effect, bully for you. You don't seem to have learned when to use them and when not.

I got a bad feeling as soon as I started seeing shots again. Once or twice isn't too bad, but substantial reuse? Usually a bad sign...

You know what gave me hope again? 0:57. Through 1:02. Some amazing work in just those few seconds. And then the really fast cuts start, and it's hard to follow. The blurs at 1:14 took my fragile hopes and dashed them against the rocks.

Then came the whole segment from 2:01 to 2:15. You simply overdid it. It's really hard on the eyes,

The floating guns at the end is just too much.

I'm not going to be as hard on you as some of the other people, but this is decidedly a sub-par video in total. Two of five. You know how to synch, and you have it technically. For the love of sudo, learn how to use what you know instead of throwing the whole pot at the wall to see what sticks.

[saiyan_pride]

wow too much to read, anyway most the parts that i liked, other people didn't like. but this doesn't mean im going to change anything in my amvs, il keep making them and everyone can keep hating them.

[Zero Link]

wow too much to read, anyway most the parts that i liked, other people didn't like. but this doesn't mean im going to change anything in my amvs, il keep making them and everyone can keep hating them.

That's the spirit.

[CrazyRamen]

I'm sorry I don't pause the video every second and look at the details, so I guess that makes my comment count for less? I don't know. But what I do is, that I enjoyed the AMV, it was just entertaining and well done from my perspective.

~Ramen