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Post by Autraya » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:00 am

VEGETA_LSSJ wrote: @Prodigi, ? I don't understand that Ho-Boy?
Prod i think he called you a gardening instrument...

And I just can't watch this... I like the music but I'm allergic to DBZ, to even beta test DBZ for Nerdstrudle i made him wear a maid outfit for a month Image
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Post by VEGETA_LSSJ » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:15 am

@The Origonal Head Hunter. thank you for opinions even if they were pretty low but that is your opinion of course.
Oh yes and you should know how much effort I put in it, not only because I wanted every frame like I WANT, it was also because big hardware/software problems...
Also I said it multiple times - "flashback" is actually the whole video...but you can't just say it is a flashback and nothing else...i see my video more through artistic eyes not through storytellers eyes. But what can I do everyone see through their eyes.

@macguy,
Not really a story per se but just about Vegeta falling and fighting while claiming not to be able to be beaten.
That and some similar scnes + doing a self-destruct... Isn't that really what was happening to VEGETA whole his life??
Here is why I think it isn't clear. You merely start the video with fighting as I said before which immediately doesn't explain what Vegeta was fighting for. Simply put, you didn't need that first fighting scene in the slightest. Now if you just added that part, everything else would fit much better but that just made it look like an action video which you seem to have admitted. The scene sync and lyric sync (not text) with the auto destruction is good although I still dislike all the scenes just flashing on my face.
Actually I started this video from self-destructive part...and actually that is MY favorite part. If you mean that part on the beginning while VEGETA and GOKU are holding each others hands and hitting with heads - I put that scene becuase I wanted to show some good VEGETA's fight, and if GOKU isn't a best oponent for him than who is? Same for that next VEGETA vs GOKU fight.
You over did it with the transitions and the scene with lots of boxes. That alone was just confusing me. I personally don't like the song (lyrics are good though) much but that's not of any importance just to be honest. Besides, who didn't Vegeta need?
If you dislike those flashy speedy scenes than this AMV is really not for you... I tried to do an chaotic action AMV that is in the same time Character Profile, and not just lip sync, scene sync, I wanted to perfectly fit text, meaning and action in one, and I think I did solid work in that case...
Explanation - frst VEGETA didn't need NAPPA and he saw through him with closed eyes, because he wanted DBs just for himself like every villain...
second he don't need BABIDI because he don't want to be "slave" anymore and he saw with closed eyes through him that he wanted to have control under him and to use him in bad purposes...(actually I made the two of those pictures by myself in photoshop, one is showing how VEGETA is destroying while BABIDI commands, and second while VEGETA "holds universe in hand" and gives it to BABIDI...

3rd he don't want and need GOKU because he is THE ONE and he don't need to fuse with him, and that is the thing that GOKU wants...

@Autraya, yes I understand that, I am alergic on 90% new-age-animes...
But I'm always trying to be tolerant as much as I can, and I ALWAYS give a chance just like GOKU ^_^
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Post by macguy » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:12 pm

VEGETA_LSSJ wrote: That and some similar scnes + doing a self-destruct... Isn't that really what was happening to VEGETA whole his life??
Fighting?...yes...Self-destruction?...only once but yes. You got a lyric sync where Vegeta says he's the one and claims he cannot be defeated while fighting. Once again, however, all you're portraying here is a story of a battlefield. This is essentially like making a video with a bunch of scenes of a guy being the one and happens to betray his comrades because he doesn't need them. That is vague and has no story line. Of course you have some story but that's just like a Battle's Tale except without the details.

That is essentially what makes your video action-like.
If you mean that part on the beginning while VEGETA and GOKU are holding each others hands and hitting with heads - I put that scene becuase I wanted to show some good VEGETA's fight, and if GOKU isn't a best oponent for him than who is? Same for that next VEGETA vs GOKU fight.
Yes that's what I meant :P You did plenty of that in the video though! Could you at least pay attention to why I suggested it? I am simply trying to help here. A excellent fight indeed but like Nerd said, you had a lyric sync but no story line at all.
If you dislike those flashy speedy scenes than this AMV is really not for you...
:lol: I didn't say that, but rather that you over-did it and some weren't even put to good practical purposes. The speedy scenes were sometimes too much but besides that, you did a good job.


Explanation - frst VEGETA didn't need NAPPA and he saw through him with closed eyes, because he wanted DBs just for himself like every villain...
What made Vegeta not need Nappa anymore? Why didn't he kill him before? Vegeta could've killed Nappa a long time ago...
second he don't need BABIDI because he don't want to be "slave" anymore
He's the one who allowed BABIDI to take control of him in the first place. But why?
3rd he don't want and need GOKU because he is THE ONE and he don't need to fuse with him, and that is the thing that GOKU wants...
What made Vegeta be stubborn enough not to fuse? Ultimately as I said, it is Goku who started his rage! He destroyed Nappa because he was defeated by Goku. BABIDI was allowed into his body because of Goku! An AMV doesn't have to explain everything but for this anime, Vegeta had one goal which you should have made clear.


Never said had to be in a timeline but it should've been more organized. The problem for me is you did too many random scenes of his life (not Vegeta). Adding scenes from his past is fine (globally speaking) but you should also retain some continuity. For example, you could start with Vegeta's ultimate goal and that is to defeat Goku for what he's been through. Of course first add that talking scene to make it better... This way, people will understand who Vegeta claims to not need! This would make perfect sense as to what he's fighting for and then adding the touch of his past is great!


You can't make an AMV and simply assume things. For example, it would be pretty silly if someone made an AMV on someone such as Light where he just kills everyone with the Death Note along with some random scenes of him doing things. If the AMV is meant for Light's life then something more than that should be done. I would think that essentially his ultimate purpose should be noted.

In the same way, I believe your AMV should retain some continuity in the story line rather than simply have scenes with Vegeta not needing anyone, self-destructing, fighting Goku, rebelling against Babidi etc. This is an action amv which happened to have lyrics which matched Vegeta's claims. What Vegeta claims however, is not telling a story about him. Why he feels this way isn't portrayed in the video nor do you go further on by stating his ultimate purpose (defeat Goku). Again, this seems to me more like an action story line rather than anything else.
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Post by NS » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:45 pm

I suppose I agree with What macguy said. Nowadays if you're gonna make a DBZ amv.. At least either get the storyline that is so obvious right, or Make your own storyline and be creative.

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Post by VEGETA_LSSJ » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:15 pm

@Vegeta119, no problem I don't have anything against him...

@macguy, First of all you have to realize that I made this AMV just like I want, and if you think I forgot to do something, or I could do something like this or like that, no, I could maaaybe improve something that I wanted, but that is minor, for my taste this way is the best, If I'd made it with more action It wouldn't be good for me, or with more scenes with lip sinc it would be also too much... I think I balanced this AMV for my taste very good, and that is what I wanted and what I always want...
But again tastes are different so I understand if you think it should be more like this or more like that...
That is essentially what makes your video action-like.
Yes it is action like, but I never limit my self about generes...it does not have to be only action or for example only parody, I am making AMV like what I want to look like, and then I put generes just because I want to barely describe what is it like and for which public it is...
Yes that's what I meant Razz You did plenty of that in the video though! Could you at least pay attention to why I suggested it? I am simply trying to help here. A excellent fight indeed but like Nerd said, you had a lyric sync but no story line at all.
After million times :D - It does not have to have storlyine it should only tell about VEGETA's life in genereal...the most important parts...
What made Vegeta not need Nappa anymore? Why didn't he kill him before? Vegeta could've killed Nappa a long time ago...
It is flashback, he is remembering NAPPA and NAPPA's intentions and than he remebers "hey I really didn't need him at all!"...It is not happening, he just remembers how he really didn't need him and how he destroyed him...
I see, this is probably the thing because of most of you thought it don't have storyline...it is just a example of that, that he don't need anyone, and that he doeas almost everything only by himself.
He's the one who allowed BABIDI to take control of him in the first place. But why?
He is the one who allowed but he just wanted to use power of BABIDI's maic, and
not to listen
to what BABIDI says...he rebelled against him right? and that is why he says "I don't want you, I don't need you" he says that to him and to his commands echoing in his head, not to his magic which gives him even more stamina... Later he saids that
even to his magic
with "I'm unchained, not a slave" right after he do a self-destruct... VEGETA is the smart one, ya know! :D
In the same way, I believe your AMV should retain some continuity in the story line rather than simply have scenes with Vegeta not needing anyone, self-destructing, fighting Goku, rebelling against Babidi etc. This is an action amv which happened to have lyrics which matched Vegeta's claims. What Vegeta claims however, is not telling a story about him. Why he feels this way isn't portrayed in the video nor do you go further on by stating his ultimate purpose (defeat Goku). Again, this seems to me more like an action story line rather than anything else.
It is telling story, but only in general, don't you think it would be little stupid to put scene where VEGETA is having a bath or something similar and not so important for his life? though for me everything is important in DBZ :D
An ultimate goal is well known and it is shown in scenes like fight with GOKU on the begining, but I can't focus whole AMV on any goal!??!? becuase it is in past tense it is almost like big flashback, and that is over! he don't want to be "better than KAKAROT" anymore, now that those all scenes are over, it is past tense he is only summaring his life and speaking of what he lived through...and I wantd to put more problems which he lived through not only one...


Booooy! This actually makes me happy! all this text because of my AMV man! this is great!
I know you don't understand some things why they are that way, and that you would do many things different, and I respect that, that is your opinion, but I just think it is good enough balanced action with VEGETA's life telling......
But it is always nice to hear how someone would do you AMV in his way...
So don't think I take this in a bad side, I take all of this on a good side...

@NerdStrudel, I never followed that "nowadays" "that is now IN" or something like that, I always had my style and I was alway independent of anything, to be honest I am fierce enemy of fashion!
don't think this was offensive or something, I just said what I am like in case of "in" or "out"
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Post by NS » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:43 pm

I never said you should be in or out. But if you were goin' for some other story about Vegeta, then you shoulda done it better.

And jesus stop acting like this was the deepest AMV ever. It was mindless action with some lyrical synch, get off it.

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Post by VEGETA_LSSJ » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:22 pm

I don't understand why are you offensive now? I never said that this is deepest AMV...!?!? man I really thought I behaved correct...I just CAN'T explain some things, especially with my bad english.
If this is for you just one mindless action AMV with some lyrical sync for me it is not surely. I understand you, but you must speek for yourself...
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Post by MiyaDV » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:45 pm

Well I liked it :S
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Post by VEGETA_LSSJ » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:50 pm

@MiyaDV, thank you ^_^
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Post by Brolydiehard » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:59 pm

Hey I liked the video!

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