Evangelion Episode 23 Director's Cut proves the following...

Cyanna · Post by **Cyanna** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:50 am

Kracus wrote:
Cyanna wrote:
the Black Monarch wrote:
Cyanna wrote:Didn't you read what I quoted a few posts back? For someone who is so picky about the writer's choice of words used to build up suspense for spoilers, you certainly like to disregard quotes actually used to reveal spoilers.
Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that no one ever says Unit 01 was made from Lillith.
Again.

SEELE 01 (Keel) from EoE wrote:The promised time has come. With the Lance of Longinus now lost, complementation using Lilith is impossible. Our only hope is to proceed with EVA-01, Lilith's sole clone.

Doesn't that also support the theory that 00 is a clone of Adam?[/quote]

Yes. I never argued that it was otherwise. I even tried to help prove that with the other quote I posted with Keel's (Kaworu talking about his relationship with the Evas...Unit 02 in particular). I just found Kaworu's to be irrelevent in this case since I was trying to supply proof that Unit 01 was made from Lilith and not that the other two were created from Adam.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:51 am

Kracus wrote:here is something else rei says.

*episode were 01 eats the age*
*Rei sortie with bomb in her arm and charges at the age*
Rei: No Problem. Let me go. I don't mind, even if I die--- there is another.
Akagi jr: She's going to blow herself up.
Gendo: Rei!

How did she even get out with out them sending her? Take what rei says how you like. Gendo's response is interesting though, if rei can die and be brought back then why would he be worried? Also, Rei does say something like "I think I am the third" but that could only be because she can't remember, not because there haven't been (possibly) others.

I'm not sure if the question is still open about who the evas are cloned from is open, but another note to mark is the asuka rape scene. What is so special about 01 that they wouldn't send 01 one out but 00.

Gendo would be worried because he didn't order Rei to do so. She is acting own her own rather than according to his plan. Also who knows, maybe he actually cares for her a little... and a clone isn't quite the same...

And during the mind rape scene I believe Unit-01 is still undergoing repairs or is still under wraps due to the berserk incident.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:06 am

Zarxrax wrote: And during the mind rape scene I believe Unit-01 is still undergoing repairs or is still under wraps due to the berserk incident.

*during asuka mind rape*
Gendo: We must complete everything before Seele goes into action. It is not wise to lose Unit one at this time. It may be troublesome to use the spear of longinus without approval.

To me it seemed liked they could have but chose not to. And I thought in that episode Shinji was ready but they didn't send him out cause they didn't want the Angel to attempt a mind rap of unit 01....matter of fact I have the episode here at work, I'm gonna check it out and post again.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:32 am

Shinji was ready to go out
Misato: No, we can't do that if the Angel attacked during the approach we couldn't protect it.
Shinji: I'll go out in Unit 01!
Fuyu: No! This target has the ability to attack the pilot's mind.
Gendo: We cannot allow an Invasion of Unit 01.
*cut to shinji in the plug*
Shinji: But that can't happen as long as I'm not defeated, right?
Gendo: There is no guarantee that you will succeed.
Shinji: But if we don't, Asuka will...
Gendo: I don't care. Rei, go to Dogma and get the Lance.

another scene I thought was interesting to note
*Misato in her car on the way to Nerv while the string looking angel hovers above*
Misato: I'll be there in 15 minutes. Sortie unit 00 through the 32nd. Deploy Unit 02 as back up. Yes the commander will direct Unit 01. I don't have the authority to release it.

Oh ignore my earlier comment about Rei being able to launch herself, Asuka does the same thing in the mind rape episode. Originally Rei was suppose to go and Asuka was to be back up, but Asuka (being herself) said the command to launch.

but still Gendo's reaction was more of concern to me rather than anger cause she didn't obey orders. No one seemed upset when asuka launched herself.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:49 am

Interesting, I found an error in translation in one very of the convo Gendo says its not acceptable to lose 01 as I stated above and another version says its not acceptable to lose 02 at this time. However, when listening to the japanese and ignoring what is on the screen, 00 and 02 are refer to as unit 0 and unit ni, but unit 01 has a different name associated with it. And the different name is what I hear in Gendo's convo with fuyutsuki.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:41 pm

Tab. wrote:As for Eva 02, I'm not sure at the moment.

02 is from Adam that was very obvious when Kaoru said so. I also posted the dialogue.

01 is Lilith and 00 is Adam.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:42 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:Oh, and:

Kaji smuggled Adam to Japan FROM GERMANY. Ergo, Adam was in Germany prior to episode 8, and had probably been there for a long-ass time.

This means that, since Adam (Giant of Light) was in Antarctica during Second Impact, it had to be retrieved from Antarctica by SEELE/GEHIRN after Second Impact happened.

Gendo was working for Seele and left the day before Kasuragi's team died in the SI.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:47 am

Alright peeps, time to pull out the big guns.

the red cross book wrote: Adam - This object was created by human when they restored Adam back to the embryonic state after they woke it up with S^2 Theory. This process seemed to be what had caused the Second Impact.

the red cross book wrote: Eva-01 - Ikari Shinji. It seems that inside it lives the soul of his mother -- Ikari Yui. Also, it seems that the physical body of EVA-01 was made using Lilith. This is why in the case when the Spear of Longinus was lost, EVA-01 became the only substitute of Lilith as the tool for Human Complementation.

the red cross book wrote: Second Impact - Usually its cause was explained as a massive meteorite fallen on the Markam Mountain in Antartica. But in fact its cause was artificial: SEELE and Gendou's group reverted Adam, the first Angel, back into embryo before other Angels woke up, and this caused the Second Impact.

the red cross book wrote: Ayamani Rei - First Children. The dedicated pilot of EVA-00. A young girl who apparently lacks emotions. Her body was actually salvaged from what was left behind of Yui's body inside EVA, and a lot of body copies were later prepared in the Terminal Dogma so that when one Rei dies she could be replaced by another. The present Rei is the third one. The first was killed by Dr.Akagi Naoko; the second was killed in her battle against the 16th Angel. Although the personalities of these 3 Rei are different from each other, this is due to the environment. Their soul is one and the same. Also, it seems that this soul was somehow derived from Lilith.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:28 am

I thought Eva was confusing before. Now, having read this thread, I know otherwise. It's far, far worse than I had originally thought.

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:52 pm

I haven't read any posts on this thread... so I have no idea where the conversation has gone.

I simply wanted to state that my friend is still doing research about Adam and Lillith and the EVA units... I have not heard back from him...

and I wanted people to know that I am living up to what I said, doing my double checking and getting info from a very, very reliable source and that I didn't just leave or anything.

-Uncle Milo