Evangelion Episode 23 Director's Cut proves the following...

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

Kaworu... is a clone of adam like the evas are

Provide evidence.

I can provide evidence. Wacth Episode 34. When Kaworu is explaining the situation to Shinji he says "Your Evas and I are of the same material. Born from Adam, I can synchronise with it easily."

Game, set and match, SMB.

[Zarxrax]

I can provide evidence. Wacth Episode 34. When Kaworu is explaining the situation to Shinji he says "Your Evas and I are of the same material. Born from Adam, I can synchronise with it easily."

Game, set and match, SMB.

Kaworu and all of the angels for that matter were indeed born from Adam. That does not make them clones.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

I can provide evidence. Wacth Episode 34. When Kaworu is explaining the situation to Shinji he says "Your Evas and I are of the same material. Born from Adam, I can synchronise with it easily."

Game, set and match, SMB.

Kaworu and all of the angels for that matter were indeed born from Adam. That does not make them clones.

My bad. Misread the original question.

Dont worry about it.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

I can provide evidence. Wacth Episode 34. When Kaworu is explaining the situation to Shinji he says "Your Evas and I are of the same material. Born from Adam, I can synchronise with it easily."

Game, set and match, SMB.

Kaworu and all of the angels for that matter were indeed born from Adam. That does not make them clones.

My bad. Misread the original question.

Dont worry about it.

And I said episode 34 instead of 24. Havin a bad day today...

>.<

[UncleMilo]

Milo, milo, milo... when will you learn to stop watching Eva under the influence of LSD?

I don't have to justify myself to an idiot.

-Uncle Milo

[)v(ajin Koji]

Milo, milo, milo... when will you learn to stop watching Eva under the influence of LSD?

I don't have to justify myself to an idiot.

-Uncle Milo

Then justify yourself to those of us who are not idiots, unless you think we all are.

[UncleMilo]

To HeartbreakerByZep,

I wanted you to know that I still have no answer for you.
I asked two people involved with Evangelion about Adam and the EVAs and Lilith and the EVAs


One person said that as far as they knew, the EVAs were made from Adam, and not Lilith, which matches what you said. However, they really didn't have any answers to my questions about when the genetic material was gathered or how the material got to US and Germany.

ANother person involved with EVA pointed out that the human race comes from Lilith and that the Angels come from Adam. He said that Kaworu had been confused why we would use EVAs made from Adam (the very force we're fighting) but when he saw that it was not Adam that was stored in NERV, but Lilith... that he understood. That the EVAs are made from Lilith and not Adam.

Since I got these two conflicting answers, I have to state that now I am unsure about which Angel, Adam or Lilith, the EVAs are made from. I still believe that it makes more sense that the EVAs were made from Lilith, since Lilith is on hand (as it were) to get genetic material from, not to mention that Rei is cloned from genetic material from Lilith. Furthermore, I still fall back on the Children of Lilith from the Khabala, whom were used for the designs of the EVAs.

However, I wanted you to know that I did do the checking I promised I would do and have come up with conflicting answers. Since EVA is a complicated series, I will always admit that I am never 100% sure of things when it comes to the Surface Story of Evangelion as I am not as well versed in the Khaballa as some of my friends are.

Sorry I couldn't get a better answer for you.

-Uncle Milo

[UncleMilo]

Milo, milo, milo... when will you learn to stop watching Eva under the influence of LSD?

I don't have to justify myself to an idiot.

-Uncle Milo

Then justify yourself to those of us who are not idiots, unless you think we all are.

Sorry, Koji. I just am really getting fed up by Black Monarch. Since he didn't get the TV series, he thinks anyone who claims they did are liars and on drugs.

Anyway... most of my comments can be taken straight from the show.
All you have to do is watch it.

I rely on my human ability to reach conclusions based on the information provided. You know... if A is greater than B and B is greater than C, one can assume that A is greater than C even if no one actually tells you this.


Rei is a clone of Yui - This is explained in the show. Why do I need to prove it?

Rei is revealed as being linked with the Angels in the show. She even gives off a registration of being an Angel in the TV show. One can reach the conclusion that she's connected to Lilith. This becomes evident in the EoE movie (even though I don't care for the movie) when Lilith welcomes back Rei as Lilith absorbs Rei. - Since it's shown, why do I need to prove it?

Therefore, for Rei to be both these things, she is obviously a clone made up of material from Yui and Lilith. Simple deduction there.

Furthermore... it is my belief that Rei represents the 6th Sephira. This is because most of the religious material comes from the Khaballa. Since the 6th Sephira is symbolic for (among other things) the height of man touching the realm of divinity, it would make sense that Rei be partly human and partly angelic.


I don't know what else I need to prove... but it's all there in the show.

Black Monarch claims to be an expert on the show, but then accuses me of taking drugs because I thought the show was straight forward and that the movie was confusing... and his argument was that the TV show made no sense. So, if it made no sense to him, how can he claim to be an expert or that people who understood the show don't know what they're talking about?

Furthermore... I have always said that I'm not an EXPERT on the subject. That I have done a lot of discussing of this show with many people... People from ADV, people from Gainax, friends, and people who are better versed in the Khaballa then I am. I have used my own education in the language of film and my knowledge of philosophy and psychology to seek out my own answers.

I consider myself well versed in the show and anything I say is backed up by the information I have found in the show combined with knowledge related to the themes in the show. It still might be wrong, but I don't just pull things out of the air and make them up. I have genuine reasons for stating the things I do about the show and if I am given reason to question these things, I will reconsider my statements rather than jumping to name calling. Of course, if I'm confronted with name-calling, I will simply reply in kind as there's no point in even discussing the themes of EVA with that kind of a person.

Now...

I don't come to these boards often enough to maintain steady discussion and I always post how I am happy to discuss EVA via E-Mail as it makes discussion more possible.

For now, I'm done because I don't have the time to type anymore.

-Uncle Milo

[LittleKefalos]

Ok this has nothing to do with the most recent posts, but I thought I'd mention a few things.

First, in terms of where do the sould come from for the Eva's aside from those we know I want to mention three things which are somewhat related.

1. Depending upon your belief system, assuming you believe in souls [this series certainly is one of those], some people believe that the soul can not find rest in the afterlife, etc. unless it recieves proper burial rights. Thus explaining ghosts etc. [note this partial sentence is not reffering to the series although it could if you want it to] So if someone is dead there soul is not just gone necessarily.

2. No where is it said or suggeted in this series that a soul is indivisble so therefore one can lose part of one's soul while retaining part of it, this is what I think happened to Asuka's mother. She went insane because she lost part of her soul to Eva unit 2 (a sacrifice for her daughter?). This is what I believe, not necessarily a fact. This view is very valid I think because one needs a soul to have an AT field thus without a soul you don't have an AT field which would allow you to continue your physical existence (also why when people die their bodies don't become LCL--because their souls have not entirely left yet).

3. The memorial graveyard that Gendo and Shinji visit has only headstones no bodies are buried there (it is said by Gendo). Meaning that these people are now either LCL (is this the LCL they're using?) or that these people are kept somewhere else or that they are just unretrievable. It is clear what happened to Yui. Perhaps they were able to capture the souls of the mothers of the other children in class 2-A (i think, isn't this the same class used in Kare Kano? let me get to this soon..) and use them how they wanted. They had the soul or part of the soul of Toji's mom? Most likely. Did they use it, or for that matter use it correctly? Probably not because after all an Angel was able to take over the angel, perhaps Toji's mom had a weak soul/AT field? anyways not too important.


This is something else...



Is "His and Her Circumstances" like Eva?

Perhaps spoilers for Kare Kano, i.e. "His and Her Circumstances"!!!!!!!!!!




you have been warned....





Ok the classroom number is the same. It is almost like Shinji type personality and Asuka type personality (less anti-social in both cases, but just as introverted) are allowed to fall in love. Arima does well without trying, but is unhappy in his success and has had a troublesome childhood and is looking for acceptance. Yukino works really hard to prove she is the best and needs to get noticed needs to feel she is the best. (i.e. Shinji and Asuka) Since they don't have to worry about the end of the world, fighting Angels etc. they are allowed to fall in love somewhat normally and they do. It changes their personalities.

Also, note in one of the later episodes it becomes freaky for a bit, and when this happened I was like oh no, not Eva again.... (I do like Eva, but if you watch this show you'll realize why I felt this way at this point) and then it doesn't become Eva, thank goodness, but also it doesn't end. Dammit.

At anyrate the characters internalizing their conflicts which result with how others percieve them, etc. is central to this story as it is to Eva. Finally, the stop lights symbolism in this show reminded me of the "I will not run away" Shinji comments and his disregarding of them. Sometimes Shinji was go, sometimes he was stop, sometimes he was yellow light. Ok this sounds stupid but if you've seen the show I think you'll know what I mean.

[HeartbreakerByZep]

To HeartbreakerByZep,

I wanted you to know that I still have no answer for you.
I asked two people involved with Evangelion about Adam and the EVAs and Lilith and the EVAs


One person said that as far as they knew, the EVAs were made from Adam, and not Lilith, which matches what you said. However, they really didn't have any answers to my questions about when the genetic material was gathered or how the material got to US and Germany.

ANother person involved with EVA pointed out that the human race comes from Lilith and that the Angels come from Adam. He said that Kaworu had been confused why we would use EVAs made from Adam (the very force we're fighting) but when he saw that it was not Adam that was stored in NERV, but Lilith... that he understood. That the EVAs are made from Lilith and not Adam.

Since I got these two conflicting answers, I have to state that now I am unsure about which Angel, Adam or Lilith, the EVAs are made from. I still believe that it makes more sense that the EVAs were made from Lilith, since Lilith is on hand (as it were) to get genetic material from, not to mention that Rei is cloned from genetic material from Lilith. Furthermore, I still fall back on the Children of Lilith from the Khabala, whom were used for the designs of the EVAs.

However, I wanted you to know that I did do the checking I promised I would do and have come up with conflicting answers. Since EVA is a complicated series, I will always admit that I am never 100% sure of things when it comes to the Surface Story of Evangelion as I am not as well versed in the Khaballa as some of my friends are.

Sorry I couldn't get a better answer for you.

-Uncle Milo

Thanks for trying, anyway

I don't see how Rei was created from genetic Lilith material, since Lilith is far from human. Lilith did give birth to humans though, which is why it could make sense if Lilith produced Rei (many beleive this happened during the Yui/01 contact expirement) possibly in a similar manner as how Evangelion 01 may have been created, being literally born from Lilith. I don't know who (Adam/Lilith) the EVAs came from, at this moment in time I can't think of anything that would distinguish either way.