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Post by Yunacat » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:12 pm

Master_K528 wrote:
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dual dragoon wrote: :? On the last episode i saw i was kinda confused about the Elricks dad please explain.
You saw the most recent ep, right? (btw, their name is spelt "Elric").

Just in case some ppl haven't seen it yet..:
info/spoiler wrote:Hohenheim, Ed and Al's dad, is over 400 years old. Back 400 years ago, he tried to create a Philosopher's Stone and died, but Dante saved him by acting on instinct and putting his soul in another person's body. Dante and Hohenheim have been body jumping since then, and now Dante has Lyra's body (not sure bout Hohenheim). They were in love in the past, till they ended up seperating. Hohenheim eventually fell in love with Trisha Elric, Ed and Al's mom, and after Ed and Al turned a certain age, he disappeared again. But he's back. There are hints here and there that Hohenheim posesses a Philosipher's Stone. Dante's new body is rotting because she doesn't have a stone, and Hohenheim seems fine (well..there was one scene that could shake that idea..when, in the past, they showed Hohenheim's shoulder and it seemed odd..). Dante made the Homonculus so that she could create another stone, and she's been using everybody up to this point.
Hope that helps.. ( i got confused too.. @_@ ..but i figured it out^^ )
Ah...now my brain can rest now. Thanks, Yunacat.
You're welcome!^^


EmilLang1000 wrote:For all you Harry Potter Fans out there, this may also give some insight into things:
Spoiler wrote:There's a great deal of speculation about Hohenheim, and his relation to this world. He alludes to, or rather blatantly states, his travelling from world to world several times, including our own. This "planeshifting" for lack of a better term, lends to many interesting theories, one concerning that of Nicholas Flammel. People may jump on me for naming a Harry Potter character, but the truth is, Flammel DID exist, in the late 1500s to mid 1600s to be exact, and is credited to have actually created the Philosopher's Stone after recieving a book which supposedly belonged to Abraham the Jew (see Genesis if you have no idea what I'm talking about). Many people speculate that Flammel actually was Hohenheim, after he traveled to our universe, and created the stone here under that guise. Others believe that Hohenheim confided within Flammel the secrets to creating the stone, even in our world. Still others claim that it was, in fact, Hohenheim's notes that he had acquired, Hohenheim using the pen-name "Abraham the Jew" so as to conceal his identity, the same way Alchemists code their own research - Mustang, for instance, writes all his notes in a little black book and uses the names, telephone numbers, and their addresses of cute girls as a code.
spoilers wrote:I knew about Flammel being real. I actually thought about something similar to your idea, though i like your idea on it better.

Just a note, do you know what the Philosipher's Stone really is? The Philosipher's Stone is not physical, and it's not mental. It's a spiritual object of great power, and it can only be attained through the death of the human body. It's about attaining spiritual enlightment. The turning of lead to gold, is actually the turning of the human being to a spiritual being... At least, that's what i read somewhere... > >

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Post by Super Shanko » Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:49 am

that was a lovely discussion, now then, i have just 1 complaint and one thing that bothers me when i thought about it, which makes for a nice little something to ponder.

1. i dont know about you guys, but i felt pretty jipped on FMA tonite about not showing Archer's half mangled ass, for anyone doesn't know, its when they show him inside his room, but it was supposed to show him up close screaming in agony with all his teeth having nickel sized spaces in them, what pisses me off is that it wasn't even that bad compared to Stroker & Hoops amount of violence.

2. Something with Greed, which could lead to an actual dreaded plothole. He wanted to bind his "soul" to armor to achieve immortality like Al, BUT! according to Wrath, the Homunculi are the damned and have no souls which makes me wonder who's correct. When i thought about it, it made me think that maybe it's possible Greed has an actual soul since he's the only that sticks to his name and desires material possessions unlike the others.
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Post by Tainted_Eden » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:42 pm

1) Ahahaha, well, y'know it's Anime which automatically means that we can't corrupt our children!! Like, y'know, how Scooby Doo has guns 'n at, hell, even Superman, but heaven forbid Yu Gi Oh! from having those same flippin' guns...

2) Good point! Plot hole, yay! But... If you wanna look at it, a soul is pretty much our spiritual selves. Maybe Greed went beyond his Homonculi self and began to feel feelings different from the feeling of greed? If he did, then perhaps he grew a soul.

Personally, I hate it when ever people say 'Oh, I made a character who doesn't have a soul'. If that's true, then the character can't interact with anything, can't feel anything, and pretty much is a vegitable. A soul grows with each interaction that a person makes with other people. Emotions are placed into the soul, growing as the body does.

So I personally think that the Homonculi, while a terrific idea, can never exist. *shrug* My two cents, yo.
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Post by Yunacat » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:08 am

1) Happens all the time in dubbed anime.. hate it... > >

2) Yeah..Greed isn't the only one who changed like that either. Lust changed as well. She doesn't lust revenge anymore, she feels the feelings that make human souls as they should be.. I think all of the homunculi have souls, but only 1-2 of them are truly human-like souls...



I just thought about something...
About the Kishimoto Complex thing, i just realized it's not Hiromu Arakawa who has it, it's the scriptwriters for the anime. In the anime, everything gets confusing and the writers kinda got a lil out of hand and forgot a few of the original ideas that needed to stay in play for it to run completely smoothly.

As for Hiromu Arakawa, she's kept her story going clean and clear *reread a bit of the manga and realized i had missed a few chapters* Everything is running pretty smoothly in her story.

If i remember correctly, after about the point of Greed's death, the story of the anime changes from Arakawa-sensei's story to a whole other idea, meaning it was the screenwriters' fault for not paying attention to what happened from the begining...

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Post by riverstar » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:53 pm

In reponse to Tainted_Eden's "Homunculi couldn't exist for lack of soul", if you think about it, the lack of soul is potentially not a hinderance. The Homunculi are created from the memories and feelings of the dead person they are modeled after. Also, as Sloth said in the latest episode of FMA, it takes a strong will to create a human body with a soul - the same could very well apply for a soulless body. In all probability, they exist not only off of the memories of the body's life, but the strength of will of thier creator. Also, many consider emotion and will a sort of spiritual strength to utilize in life; perhaps the Homonculi use the will (of the creator) and the emotion (of the former self and/or the creator) as a sort of power source in place of a soul.

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Post by Tainted_Eden » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:40 pm

Ooooh, good point, good point. So it's not the creator of the series, it's the screen writers. *applauds* Good job! Then we shall damn the screen writers! XD Get out ye torches, it's lynching time!!

The Homunculi are created from the memories and feelings of the dead person they are modeled after

If that were true, then they should actively remember everything from the past...
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Post by riverstar » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:29 am

hahaha :) Lust and Envy show signs of remembering their pasts, I'm sure the others do as well. After all, Sloth should motherly tendencies towards Wrath, probably cuz she once was a mother. But, oh well, I just love the series and am ecstatic that Envy is back in the picture. Mmmmmm....Envy...

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Post by Super Shanko » Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:22 am

yeah, it was funny seeing him bitch slap Pride, speaking of whom, would the memory thing count for him, Greed and Gluttony?
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Post by Yunacat » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:47 am

Spoiler wrote:Btw, i just thought about something.. From what i remember, Envy dies in the gate between the worlds, but from what i read in the FMA 1st movie guide book, he's alive in the movie.. I haven't seen the movie though..so i'm not sure... But they showed a dragon thing and it had Envy written next to it, so i got REALLY confused.. @_@

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Post by Super Shanko » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:06 am

hows that? i mean if Ed apparently lives?
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