Evangelion Episode 23 Director's Cut proves the following...

[the Black Monarch]

Oh, and:

Kaji smuggled Adam to Japan FROM GERMANY. Ergo, Adam was in Germany prior to episode 8, and had probably been there for a long-ass time.

This means that, since Adam (Giant of Light) was in Antarctica during Second Impact, it had to be retrieved from Antarctica by SEELE/GEHIRN after Second Impact happened.

[Cyanna]

About the Rei thing.....there is definatley at least 3 Reis (or more preceisly, 3 Rei bodies..) I distinctly remember seeingin an ep, during the half time thing, that it said Rei III.

Original Japanese episode title. It's the third episode that's about Rei. Go figure.

Don't forget that Rei herself says she is the third....

Rei, who was created and has no biological mother

Ritsuko says Rei was born. Being born kind of requires a mother.

Shinji had no idea Rei was a clone when Ritsuko said that. Take things in the context in which it was said. Do you think Ritsuko would really reveal what Rei was until the oppertune moment? That has nothing to do with the series but how it was scripted. Think like the writer's and cut them some slack. That would spoil a major spoiler.

Also, it is said that every single bit of life, down to the molecular level, was destroyed in SI.

Actually, no, that was never said. And even if it was said, it can't be true, because young Ms. Katsuragi survived.

That is speculation. Misato survived only because her father made it so. He wasn't destroyed at the molecular level when he did so obviously. But we have no idea what happened to them after she started drifting in the ocean.

Also I don't think Rei merging with Lillith is what caused the 3I, I think it was also the combination of her pulling Adam into herself before doing it. Remember Gendo shoving his hand into her heart, same hand that had Adam in it.

It also seemed to require The Mass-Produced Evas, the Lance of Longinus, the imitation Lances, and a number of very painful things being done to Unit 01 by the Mass-Produced Evas with the imitation Lances.

The mass prods and Unit 01 could have started 3I on their own as SEELE originally intended. What went on between Gendo and Rei was Gendo's own design....and even then, Rei surprised Gendo...so no one knew what the heck was really going on as far as Lilith was concerned.

its stated that Unit 01 is diferent tto 00 and 02, in the fact that it was made of lilith (somewhere in eva.......)

Actually, no, that was also never stated... put down the crack pipe dude...

Didn't you read what I quoted a few posts back? For someone who is so picky about the writer's choice of words used to build up suspense for spoilers, you certainly like to disregard quotes actually used to reveal spoilers.

[Kracus]

I'm amazed at how adament Milo has been about (at least 02) not being made from adam, since Kaworu said it was.

And the 7 eyes thing, come on, not only is 7 on it own an important number throughout the bible, 7 eyes is referenced in different places that have nothing to do with Lilith or a woman. (Zechariah 3:9)

Black Monarch:
yea a bunch of other things that had to be done. However, it's noted in End of Eva for instrumentality to begin they had to 'lure' out the catalyst. Rei responded when Shinji lost it.

Since yer so picky you forgot to mention that it also required Eva 01 to take on the s2 engines as well. it required Shinji to be born, it required Gendo to be born, it required Asuka to be born, it required Rei to be blown up, it required Akagi to kill herself and so on forever.
I was just questioning, adam being taken into Rei and then into lilith.

Also, I'd like detailed reference points from episodes to see this. But it is noted that in this thread that there is something in 00. you say it's not mother Akagi, yet you believe Asuka's mom is in 02 using this very simple logic (Body + soul = sane person
Body - soul = insane person
Get it? )

Yet you don't believe mother akagi is in 00 because she killed herself by jumping to her doom. Something most sane people don't do either.

Born = created, created = born, created != mother. come on, we are getting into an age were we just need an egg and sperm. (dictionary points to bear which is - 2 a : to give birth to b : to produce as yield c (1) : to permit growth of (2), mother is not mentioned, however permit growth of is)

[Kracus]

Yet you don't believe mother akagi is in 00 but she killed herself by jumping to her doom. Something most sane people don't do either.

[Kracus]

Misato: So, this is the source of the dummy plugs?
Ritsuko: I will show you the truth
*she pushes the pretty button to reveal lots of clones of Rei*
Shinji: Ayanami Rei!
Misato: You're not saying the Evas' dummy plugs are...
Ritsuko: That's right, the part that becomes the core of the dummy system, and this is the manufacturing plant for it.
Misato: This is?
Ritsuko: These are just dummies. And nothing more than parts for Rei.

There are many version of the dialogue, it would be best to get the exact japanese wording and translate it yourself.

Here's another version ( a bit different ):
Shinji: Ayanami Rei!
Misato: Can it be? Eva's dummy plug is---
Ritsuko: This is the production factory of the core for the dummy plug system.
Misato: This is---?
Ritsuko: These are dummies. They are only parts for Rei. Men found God and so they tried to get him in their hands. That's why they were punished. That was 15 years ago. The god they discovered disappeared with them. But this time they tried to bring him back. That was Adam. And from Adam, humans were created as an imitation of God. That is Eva.
Shinji: Human, they are human?
Ritsuko: yes, they are human. Eva doesn't originally have a soul but they were given a human soul. All were salvaged. Rei is the only one with a soul. She is the only one that grew a soul. These empty parts of Rei do not contain any soul. They are just empty parts. That's why I'm going to destroy it. They are horrible.
*Ritsuko pushes termination button*
*Misato shocked, points gun at Ritsuko*
Misato: Do you knw what you're doing!?
Ritsuko: I know. Yes, I know. Destruction. Its not human. Its just something shaped like a human.

*stepping off of the platform in front of Eva 02*
Kaoru: Now let us go, clone of Adam and Lilin's servant.

*later talking to himself and shinji as Eva 02 and shinji fight*
Kaoru: Eva series, born of Adam, but are of a loathsome existence to humans. I don't understand why Lilin's take advantage of that to stay alive.
Shinji: Kaoru! Stop! Why are you doing this
Kaoru: Eva is made of the same body as I. I am born of Adam too.
I could become one with it, if I didn't have a soul. In fact, the soul of Unit-02 is locked. So I can control it. (this is why Rei can control 00 and 01 cause she is made of lilith, therefore she can control lilith's clones. Rei is an angel as noted after this talk when Kaoru enters Lilith's room and they detect another Angel and there is Rei.)

*Kaoru reaches Lilith*
Kaoru: Adam. Our mother being. Those who ae born out of Adam, must return to Adam? Even if destroying the people? No. This is Lilith! So, that's what it means, Lilin!
*a successful Shinji arrives*
Kaoru: Arigotou, shinji. I wanted you to stop Unit-02. If you hadn't, I might have lived with her.
Shinji: Kaoru, why?
Kaoru: Because my destiny is to live on even if the human race is gone. I can choose to die too. To me life and death have the same value. Death is the sole freedom.
Shinji: What? Kaoru, what are you saying? *more babble by shinji*
Kaoru: It's my will. Extinguish me---if you don't you will all be extinguished. Only one life can be the chosen one to avoide the end and bring the future. Your existence should not end.
*kaoru looks up at rei and then smiles* the future is necessary to you all. Thank you, I am happy to have met you.

[Kracus]

Ritsuko: These are dummies. They are only parts for Rei. Men found God and so they tried to get him in their hands. That's why they were punished. That was 15 years ago. The god they discovered disappeared with them. But this time they tried to bring him back. That was Adam. And from Adam, humans were created as an imitation of God. That is Eva.

hmm, what if at the test site in Antartica they found Adam somewhat like Lilith is in the series and they did experiments and caused a similar instrumentality, that brought forth a being of light that destroyed them. The same thing happens again, but this time its lilith and instead of destroying, a recreation process happens.

Technically, Adam is not a being of light. That is not a distinction given to him. Lilith is pale and lights up as well. Eva 00/Rei lit up right before she blew. This (Monarch) could help your case for only one rei. Rei is an angel. Say the dna that mixed with Adam caused him to start moving and he light up and then blew leaving, after which only leaving what we seein the show (the suit case). They don't try to activate adam anymore but just clone him. So when Eva 00/Rei lights up and reforms before she blows, maybe there is something left of her. Mother Akagi didn't blow chibi Rei up, just choked her to death. So there are still remains.

[Tab.]

Also, it is said that every single bit of life, down to the molecular level, was destroyed in SI.

Actually, no, that was never said. And even if it was said, it can't be true, because young Ms. Katsuragi survived.

Put down the crack pipe and watch the series again, because it was a direct quote.

[Kracus]

Also, it is said that every single bit of life, down to the molecular level, was destroyed in SI.

Actually, no, that was never said. And even if it was said, it can't be true, because young Ms. Katsuragi survived.

Put down the crack pipe and watch the series again, because it was a direct quote.

Even if its a direct quote, the series shows Misato being put in a capsule and the father dying over it. After the aftermath, she is seen floating in that capsule at sea.

[Cyanna]

3I has not ended at that point though. Misato can still see the lights as she floats away. We have no idea what happened after she left.

[Cyanna]

3I has not ended at that point though. Misato can still see the lights as she floats away. We have no idea what happened after she left.

2I I mean.