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Post by Emong » Sat May 03, 2008 9:03 am

I didn't like this series as much as I liked Kanon, or not nearly as much as I liked Air. Clannad felt like a re-make of Kanon actually, with less surrealism, less drama and less things to think about. So I was disappointed overall =|

Maybe I just got fed up with innocent-girls-with-problems stories, but Clannad was just too shallow for me. Almost every bit of a story was about an innocent strange girl (ripped off from the gallery of stereotypical anime characters) with a past of tragedy turned to a victim. Of course, the past would be revealed and her friends would be there to help her or cry with her. And it'd all end up either to a cheesy happy ending or a cheesy tear-jerker ending. It's a pretty thing for sure, a way for the viewer to channel empathy.

The problem is.. Those girls.. They were just there for the viewer to feel sorry for =| Drama? The series make none. Almost all the realizations and solutions it made were all something we all know already. Boring and really superficial as most of the characters didn't really go through anything, mostly only the surroundings changed. This is one hell of a ghost of character development. Well, it makes great entertainment and a lesson on empathy. It just bugged me a little the series would make me want to cry simply for the sake of crying.

And all the girls were practically saints, and cute ones at that >_> Of course, it's difficult to feel empathy for unlikable characters but that's the beauty of it. It's just so.. depressing that they make them so easily victimized, cute and innocent, just perfect dolls for the viewer to play with. If there should be a real flaw in their personality, or tragedy caused by themselves, they'd easily be thrown into a dumpster >_> Make a series about a bitchy overweight girl commiting a suicide for peer pressure or about a realistically self-centered depressed person and no one would give a damn =|

Well, Clannad's themes made me think a bit though. Loneliness has been portrayed before a hundred times before and this series didn't really bring anything new to the table on that. Loneliness and a fear of disappearing seems to be a common shared trauma of the japanese people.. However, I liked how it motivated for pursuing one's dreams. It was actually clever at some parts. I appreciate that =P The highlights of the show would be moments like Tomoya thinking about his aimless life and Nagisa while playing basketball. EF - A Tale of Memories did this better but that's one thing really positive about Clannad :up:

Well I got hooked to Clannad, which was actually quite annoying because I truly didn't enjoy it that juch >_> I just got annoyed often. I felt manipulated >_> Often I'd feel like "Right, we all know this already. This girl is not at fault and what's up with all this pointless drama?" When Nagisa's past was revealed as if it was a big secret no one would have expected, I really wanted to beat my head against a wall -_- All this drama and Nagisa did absolutely nothing. I have troubles relating to this cultural phenomenon with feeling sorry for everything. Or maybe it's just my habit of focusing on hidden motives :roll: Anyway, the series didn't really go through anything that would matter. Well at least personally I didn't feel like that. I already knew everything it was trying to tell me and everything was handled somewhat shallow..

I need a series with realistic human beings. Why doesn't anime let humans be what they are? ;_; Seriously, the only anime character I'd actually feel sorry for would be Shinji (which is kinda strange..) especially in the end of Eva and EoE. He was painfully introspected and pretty much a stereotype of a loser, yet the weight of the world was tossed on his shoulders. Anyway, it's so off-topic I'm talking about Evangelion in a Clannad thread. The bottom line is, Clannad rarely got real at any point. It was pretty much just another pointless thing that just simply exists as a way for fans to channel empathy.

[add the infamous in my opinion here]

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Post by Emong » Sat May 03, 2008 9:07 am

I should have done a typo-scan there.. >_>

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Post by OropherZero » Sat May 03, 2008 9:11 am

geez emong take anime a bit too seriously? :/ For me anime like this should be detached from realism to provide fanservice - not just referring to ecchi here, its what makes anime.... anime. Well from your post I think you'd be better of watching these instead:
NANA
Honey and Clover
Nodame
Paradise Kiss

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Post by Emong » Sat May 03, 2008 9:14 am

OropherZero wrote:geez emong take anime a bit too seriously? :/ For me anime like this should be detached from realism to provide fanservice - not just referring to ecchi here, its what makes anime.... anime. Well from your post I think you'd be better of watching these instead:
NANA
Honey and Clover
Nodame
Paradise Kiss
Well, true, sorry.. I tend to over analyze things.. I just often got annoyed by the genre :lol:

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Post by Kevmaster » Sat May 03, 2008 9:21 am

Emong, you're amazing! I want your babies!

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Post by OropherZero » Sat May 03, 2008 9:22 am

just saying that anime has a lot of variety then its better to just switch over to another rather than saying 'i wish this anime would switch to this genre' bishoujo game anime don't really fit in with actual slice-of-life :P

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Post by angelx03 » Sat May 03, 2008 10:17 am

People in fact do tend to "overdramatize" over the little things which some people find mundane. Hell, I get close to panic attacks on trying to ask teachers for help on homework (yeah I'm that shy around grownups). Pretty much I can empathize what Nagisa is feeling because in some respect I have those same emotional traits as her.

Of course, this whole thing is only half the story. :wink:
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Post by Emong » Sat May 03, 2008 11:13 am

OropherZero wrote:just saying that anime has a lot of variety then its better to just switch over to another rather than saying 'i wish this anime would switch to this genre' bishoujo game anime don't really fit in with actual slice-of-life :P
Well mostly I just wish they'd bring in actual human characters with flaws and everything instead of these.. dolls? O_O But yeah, I get what you mean. It just bugs me this series is giving a sort of wrong impression. It was semi-serious afterall, imo. I guess I'd be better off by enjoying it as what it is \o/ Thanks for the recommendations btw.

@angelx03 - I can identify with you on that O_O

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Post by Chiikaboom » Sat May 03, 2008 4:01 pm

I do agree with Emong in the sense the fact that, Clannad being the 3rd key installment becoming an anime, the whole concept is becoming redundant. Clannad will be the last show I'll watch done by Key. I've honestly had enough of going through stories watching emo girls suffer and eventually drop like flies (er sometimes) So i wont be joining you guys if Little Busters or Planetarian becomes an anime because the stories are just becoming so.. robotic.

The reason i love Clannad as much as I do is simply because i grew a major attachment to the characters. In Kanon i never liked any of the characters, but it was easy to sympathize with them at the time. Now that ive seen Clannad, all of the girls in Kanon just royally piss me off. Another thing i like about Clannad is the fact it majorly toned down on the whole supernatural arcs (with the exception of Fuuko's, which, despite her being my favorite character, her arc feels really out of place with the rest of the story). In Kanon, lots of the arcs just had me going 'wut the feck'.

I don't watch anime for moe/fanservice. I watch it for the characters and the storyline. If the show fails at both of those, then i won't like it.
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Post by angelx03 » Sat May 03, 2008 4:15 pm

Chiikaboom wrote:I do agree with Emong in the sense the fact that, Clannad being the 3rd key installment becoming an anime, the whole concept is becoming redundant. Clannad will be the last show I'll watch done by Key. I've honestly had enough of going through stories watching emo girls suffer and eventually drop like flies (er sometimes) So i wont be joining you guys if Little Busters or Planetarian becomes an anime because the stories are just becoming so.. robotic.
Funny you say that about Planetarian because that does involve robots (well, specifically a female android at a post-apocalyptic world). :lol:

And I heard there is a new Key visual novel coming soon called Rewrite, and that's going to be a collaboration with Ryukishi07, the guy who did Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. :twisted:
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