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Post by rose4emily » Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:30 pm

downwithpants wrote:are we still going to have a low quality (~100MB) version? i'm afraid that the high quality versions will scare away 56k people or people with extremely small hard drives.
I don't know about a 100MiB version. Even if you mean 100MiB per section, have you ever seen what compressing 45 minutes of video to 100 MiB looks like? Especially when the source is, at best, already compressed by one generation (many of the Instrumentality sections are, at best, second generation going into the compilation - once for the DVD, once for transmission over the internet, possibly more between pulling the video from the DVD and submission through the FTP). The first test renders were about 300 MiB per section, and I still think that was pushing it quality-wise.

I think it might be a better idea to encourage people on tight connections to have a friend with broadband download the film, and then burn it to a pair of CDs. It may seem like making people go out of their way in this age of the internet - but it's really a step up from the old mail-exchange systems for fansubs and amateur concert tapes ("bootlegs" - but many of them are actually legal, depending on the venue and band), or the pre-Napster version of "file sharing" where friends would physically record and exchange tapes of each others' CDs. I'd even be willing to mail out CDs to people who send me $3 (I think that's about what burning and mailing two CDs would cost - I'd have to check the current price of CD spindles and USPS shipping to make sure) and a return address (this would be more efficient than mailing the CDs and/or special shipping materials twice - and I wouldn't have to worry about errors caused by burning onto substandard media). I can also look into the practicality of producing (or having a print shop produce) nice disk and trey labels - but this would increase the cost of distribution and might produce a supply bottleneck, depending on demand.

I don't want, after all of the work all of you have done to make all of this look really nice, to start spreading around a version that reduces all of your fine videos to collections of blocks and ripples. If someone else does, I can't stop them, but I'm not going to do it myself.

downwithpants wrote:as for an intro, it doesn't need to be too fancy or too long. maybe just show the project title and a list of the creators.
It doesn't need to be. There really doesn't need to be an intro at all - I've seen a few films that went without one, and it's not really anything that will add to the content of the project. On the other hand, any value this project provides beyond conveniently packaging a set of videos, most of which are already individually available, is going to come from the "wrapper" stuff inserted around the actual AMV footage - the intro, the narratives, the intermission, and the credits. It's possible that I'm over-emphasising this, and that that might be part of the reason I can't come up with an intro idea I'm satisfied with, but I really want to have something to prep the audience, to get their attention, before "Tomoe" starts. You also have to keep in mind the fact that the narratives have all been written to precede the segment to which they apply, so a missing or overly short/simple intro would more or less drop the audience directly onto a scene that is, in essence, a slide show. While the "slide show" format is perfectly good for the narratives, which double as something of an break between the musical segments, giving the audience a chance to cleanse their audiovisual pallates, it would make for a sort of flat note to start or end on.

Then again, it might be possible to "just show the title and a list of the creators" in such a manner as to make this, in itself, visually interesting enough to be a good intro. I'll look into that - possilbly tieing the visual theme of the intro into the one I've chosen for the credits, bringing the style of the project full circle. Using the text would be a great way to give it some structure and allow it to be something simple - but I think it really should be animated and "dressed up" at least a little bit in the process.
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Post by ooshna » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:18 pm

Ok here is an idea I might be moving my site to a server with unlimited bandwidth but the catch is that I get pretty much no support. Since it is linux I could install bittornado on it but I will need someone with linux experiance helping out. I have no problem with that. I won't how ever just host the video directly which would probably mean my site itself would get no bandwidth. But hell its a start.

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Post by downwithpants » Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:06 am

rose4emily wrote:On the other hand, any value this project provides beyond conveniently packaging a set of videos, most of which are already individually available, is going to come from the "wrapper" stuff inserted around the actual AMV footage - the intro, the narratives, the intermission, and the credits. It's possible that I'm over-emphasising this, and that that might be part of the reason I can't come up with an intro idea I'm satisfied with, but I really want to have something to prep the audience, to get their attention, before "Tomoe" starts. You also have to keep in mind the fact that the narratives have all been written to precede the segment to which they apply, so a missing or overly short/simple intro would more or less drop the audience directly onto a scene that is, in essence, a slide show. While the "slide show" format is perfectly good for the narratives, which double as something of an break between the musical segments, giving the audience a chance to cleanse their audiovisual pallates, it would make for a sort of flat note to start or end on.
that's a good point. well perhaps we should decide on a theme for the intro. hmm, can't think of anything right now. i like the song at the beginning of the eternal sunshine for the spotless mind trailer (heard it from kwasek's trailer video). i have no idea what the song is called or where to get it though. well if anyone has any ideas for the opening, please list them.
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Post by angelx03 » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:53 am

Hi! :oops:

I have a suggestion. If you want some creepy gothic suspense instrumetal, I'll be happy to share my Tsukihime OST since it has a lot of those types of tracks (most specifically the opening song of Tsukihime).

EDIT: Here's a sample of what the heck I'm talking about:

http://www.geneonanimemusic.com/tracks/ ... ime_01.wax
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Post by jasper-isis » Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:53 pm

If you want, I can make a short (<30 sec) intro for the project. It would be a simple (or not simple, whichever you want) video with our names fading in and out at different times. Like the director/producer/etc names at the beginning of a movie. The name of the project will come up at the end of the intro. I'll download your credits and such to make sure that it fits in with the theme.

Song suggestions:
Free Bird (opening to Haibane Renmei) - here is my 33-second edited version.
Sadame (theme for X TV) - for a more dramatic intro.
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Post by rose4emily » Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:34 pm

Actually, for the intro, I'm thinking Miles Davis - for a more "Democracy Now" type of news-intro feel.

It has a rhythim to which the onscreen motion can be tied, but is very flowing and shouldn't require anything terribly flashy or event-driven. It's also really easy on the ears, but not in a boring "easy listening" way. Just cool jazz from one of the masters.

I am now listening to the albums "Kind of Blue" and "My Funny Valentine" in search of a track that "fits" and has a good point at which we can transition it out and move onto the film.

It will also go nicely with the end theme, which remains a toss up between Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" (not instrumental, but a very nice and relatively well-known song that makes an ironic play off of the predominant mood of the film's final pieces) and Jacques Loussier's jazz adaptation of J.S. Bach's "Air on a G String", which is instrumental, and also beautifully performed.

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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:29 pm

so... is it about time I need to start thinking about accepting videos for the DVD authoring?

Yes I'm still folowing this project and still plan on doing the DVDs for them ;p
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Post by Songbird21 » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:50 pm

I'll get my stuff in soon. I'm sorry the retakes aren't done. Hectic couple of weeks.
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Post by rose4emily » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:11 pm

Then it works out ever more for the better that I'm now planning to encode at a picture width of 720.

Just tell me whether you would prefer to get the videos as Huffmans, or for me to get one of my housemate's to encode them as DVD-ready VOBs on their shiny Apple machines. I've ripped and prepared a bunch of Blade Runner footage that they needed for a Sound Theory course, so the favor might as well be reciprocal.

They can do menus and such, too, but the one's I've seen look an awful lot like stock templates (after all, content is their concern, not interactive menus) - so you might be best off doing those yourself.

BTW: There's something fun about ripping a DVD for someone who already owns it and encoding it at almost 5MiB per second, so they can add timecode and pick apart the interaction between the video footage and its acoustic environment. All of the nice technical work with none of the icky piracy. :)

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Ooh - I just had a crazy idea: organized computer security competitions, where technical types can show off all of their mad hacking and anti-hacking skills without screwing up anyone's production data. Like a really geeky version of Iron Chef.

This idea would be best applied to pre-release testing of "trusted" software - get other people to find all the holes in your system, and then patch them before distribution. Brilliant. Employment opportunities or expensive gadgets could be given to the winners - along with, of course, publicity. It's a win-win situation.

At least until someone (and this someone probably exists) finds a way to screw it up. Probably best to use non-disclosure agreements and make the whole thing "black box" - then nothing would be exposed that couldn't be after release, and the exposure would also be contained by explicit legal protection. Until somone screws that up, too.

Stupid people, why is there always someone to screw up every little opportunity for some harmless fun. Just half a century ago it was considered perfectly safe to let kids in primary school wander across town to meet some friends for baseball - now parents all feel the need to monitor everything from their SUVs on the edge of the lot. Damn criminal bastards giving no respect to other people's way of life. As much as I'm tied to all of the technology and information flying about in the years of our generation, there are days when I'd gladly trade it all in to step into the Noman Rockwell picture my grandmother paints of how she lived when she was my age. I know it wasn't that way for everyone, but I doubt life is like that for anyone, anymore.
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Post by downwithpants » Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:52 pm

hmm, angelx's song might be a bit too creepy. the mystical tone of the song is nice, but most of the video aren't trying to inspire a sense of fear. if there are less dark songs on the ost, it could work.

jasper's song might work, though it's a bit on the structured side of my preferences (actually sounds like some video game songs i've heard). but if you can feel you can make a nice intro with it, it should be good.

as for the jazz suggestions, the only problem i see is that there are no jazz tracks on the project, and it might mislead the viewers' expectations to have a jazz track open the project.
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