Problem with .VOBs in Adobe Premiere Elements 3.0

TheGreatFox2000 · Post by **TheGreatFox2000** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:17 am

Ok, so, I'm a nub and I need some help with some VOBs I'm using to make an AMV.

From the Trust and Betrayal Director's Cut (Samurai X), I used DVD Decrypter to rip the .VOBs. They play fine on my media player (I use Media Player Classic from the Combined Community Codec Pack), but when I load them into Adobe Premiere Elements 3.0, I get a problem where the frames seem out of sequence, but only SOMETIMES. Most of the time, the footage plays cleanly, not choppy, not interlaced, etc, but at some random points, the frames just go out of sequence:

Normal: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc...

Problem: 1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 5, etc...

ANY help on this would be really appreciated, I've tried just about everything I can think of, from all four options in the Field Options menu (None, Interlace Consecutive Frames, Always Deinterlace, and Flicker Removal), I've sped up the FPS, I've taken off Frame Blend, nothing works and I'm at a loss and pulling my hair out. Someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong here lol.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:30 am

Why are you not using the standard pre-processing steps with amvapp?

TheGreatFox2000 · Post by **TheGreatFox2000** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:32 am

I've never had to in the past, the naked VOBs usually work fine on their own (obviously not this time though).

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:00 am

TheGreatFox2000 wrote:I've never had to in the past, the naked VOBs usually work fine on their own (obviously not this time though).

Editing with Naked VOBs is not recommended:

Kionon wrote:Get the latest build AMVApp. This will contain most, if not all, programs you will need for making your DVD source usable. I edit with AVS files, because I'm crazy like that, but a good method to follow is 1) rip VOBs to hard drive 2) index them using DGIndex 3) take the subsequent AVS file and add filters to get rid of interlacing and temporally smooth the source, and all sorts of other fun stuff. We can help you with what commands you will need. 4) drop the avs file into VirtualDubMod and spit out lossless files. I suggest Lagarith as your lossless codec, but some people like HuffYUV. I have used both. 5) Place in your editor and start cutting!

The commands are the reason for this. Cropping, inrterlacing, noise reduction... There simply is not a good reason not to do this.

TheGreatFox2000 · Post by **TheGreatFox2000** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:23 am

Yeah, I've been reading the massive guide on the AMVapp and it looks better...one thing I'm not seeing though is how to get from 24 fps to the 29.97 required for competition...should I just be doing that at the end when I export out of Adobe?

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:26 am

TheGreatFox2000 wrote:Yeah, I've been reading the massive guide on the AMVapp and it looks better...one thing I'm not seeing though is how to get from 24 fps to the 29.97 required for competition...should I just be doing that at the end when I export out of Adobe?

There's a few different ways you can handle this. Honestly, even if the MPEG2 is in 23.97, often the pulldown will be 29.97, if this is true, DGINDEX will include that in the D2V file, and the AVS file will read it that way. Then, make sure you editing in 29.97 in premiere, and export out in 29.97, and keep it that way when you encode it for competition.

Org Profile · Post by **GloryQuestor** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:01 pm

Here are a few handy tips for making custom exports in APE3:

- Each of the custom exports should have the quality slider to its maximum level. You can use VDubMod or another program to re-encode your base export into separate release versions and convention versions.

- If you do not need to compress your audio (which is the case in convention-quality videos), you should have it export to PCM for audio output. If you do need to compress it, export your audio to a WAV file and drop it into VDubMod later. Either way will also keep your frame rates the same for audio and video.

- Make different custom exports that use each of the frame rate options Premiere Elements gives you - 23.976, 29.97 drop frame, and 29.97. This allows you to try each one and see which one works best for you.

- I typically export to the highest-quality MPEG2 and use AVS and VDubMod to post-process and tweak everything rather than tweak things in Premiere. With this method, you can use crop() and lanczos4resize() to make sure all of your sources match up in one seamless picture (and without black bars) for your final build.

- DO NOT CHANGE THE ASPECT RATIO SETTING IN PREMIERE. The 16:9 option really screws up your picture. Keep it on 4:3, and use the above method to resize it for proper 16:9 AR.