Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

[mirkosp]

I was thinking about sending "Dedicated To #AMV" (link in my sig), since it gets DQed in family friendly contest and got into awa expo only as a mature entry, but it's not exactly hentai... guess you'll have to check for yourself.

It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.
Also, the encoding on the video seemed really messed up and had artifacts all over the place. I don't think it was my machine but one never knows. You might want to check it and make sure it isn't messed up or something. It might just be me though.

The closest thing to messed up quality I can think of in that encode is having used psy-rd which might come out looking as noise. If you want, I could check the CRC32 of the file to see if you got the whole thing.
Also, well, since it is SD, if you're fullscreening it on a FullHD, it won't come out too nice.

It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.

2nd that. PG13, borderline R. Don't show it in middle-school.

Not pg13, otherwise it would have been fine for local, which it isn't.

[HalOfBorg]

What is the submission date?

[AndreVSWorld]

What is the submission date?

Not certain yet, but I'm going to say about two or three weeks before Fanime. If Fanime is when I think it is, that means either May 7th or 14th. I'm starting advertising early so people have lots of time.

[anneke]

As for there being enough interest for there to be a Yaoi video contest... LOL! There is the 'Hentai Room' which is rarely full, while you have the 'Yaoi Room' and the 'Yaoi-con Sponsered Events' which are generally packed. There is alot of over lap of Y-con attendees and Fanime attendees. You also have two of the most hard core Yaoi AMV creators who attend Fanime, and have won awards at Fanime's regular AMV contest. So YES there is interest in having Yaoi videos. From the creators and your audience. Far more then there is from the Hentai side of things.

The reason they split Yaoi & Hentai into two rooms is because there was a big enough demand for showing both types of animes. Not because the population can't handle viewing one type of anime over another, and I know alot of people who go to both. If they really cared about not offending their viewing option they wouldn't mix all the various Hentai types up. Your talking about an adult audience, so treat them like adults. We don't need you to decide what we are capable of viewing. If you want to give a warning or group the videos by type, that's fine, but limiting and filtering out videos is just wrong.

Frankly I would prefer the contest have a mix of both Yaoi, Yuri and Hentai because if there is a mix, the videos can be judged on the videos themselves vs how hard your audience gets.

If you can't judge or watch the videos because they are not the type you personally find sexually pleasing, then frankly I don't want you running the contest if you can't be unbias. Nor would I want to enter a contest as such. It really sounds like you just want to watch a bunch of video of a specific type and thus throwing a contest is your way of getting people to create the type of video you want to see.

And to be more clear, if you said JUST M/F videos only, that would have been fine. But your saying yes to M/F and yes to Gay videos that are F/F, but excluding Gay videos that are M/M which is where things become unfair. How can one type of gay anime be allowed but not the other.

[Bakadeshi]

in Andre's defense, we have to remember that the purpose of a convention contest is primarily to entertain. If he knows his audience will not be entertained by gay videos (which in itself may be questionable) , then he is probably making the right choice even if it seems unfair to the submiters. Also its a well known fact that guys in general like Yuri more than Yaoi. (maybe except if they are Gay, not a expert in that area ;p ) Girls tend to be the fans of Yaoi stuff, but the primary audience of hentai stuff is males, not females. of course there is always exceptions, I'm speaking majority here. Thus you can see the reasoning behind his decisions.

Although if it was upto me, I'd suggest keepingit M/F, and have a seperate showing caegory for the Yaoi/Yuri stuff, even if it was still in he same contest, just different showing bloclks. that way those who would be offended can leave the room when it is announced to start.

[AndreVSWorld]

Look, I'm going to make what is probably going to be a unsuccessful attempt to settle this once and for all, as well as stop any more drama.

*ahem*
I'm running these awards because I wanted them to happen and because I asked. The word I got from Fanime was that it would basically be "me" or in this case, the Cthulhu for President! campaign presenting the HMV awards. What does this mean?

It means this is my contest.

I'm responsible for getting everything done. I have to come up with the rules and framework, generate some press and hype, come up with a submission mechanism and sift through any and all submissions and build a show out of it. I also have to handle any other snafus that will most certainly happen, such as what's happening on this board with people getting pissed off at how I'm trying to shape this show. Look, don't presume malice on my part because I cut something out and left something else in. My time and resources are finite. I'm the one donating time and money to having this happen because I want people to have a good time and for this to take off. I'm taking this one step at a time. This isn't even an real contest as winners will be determined by how loud the audience is and one will be solely determined by me.

To the yaoi crowd and anyone else pissed off by my decisions: Talk is cheap. It's easy to complain about things online. Put your time and your money where your mouth is. If you want yaoi/guro/scat awards, by jimmy I'll help you with whatever infrastructure I come up with for my awards. I'll create a submission website for people to upload your videos and give you access to it. Earlier I even offered to put up some cash for awards if I can manage it. But I'm not going to run the awards or try to get them done. If nothing happens this year I'll see about making it happen in 2011. Even if I got them up and running, I'm not the person to host it. I'm just not. I don't have the right subject knowledge or interest to do them justice. Is that a failing on my part? I don't think so. I am who I am and I'm not the right person for that specific job. I don't doubt there is interest, but since I'm not involved in the yaoi community I don't know if there will be enough videos submitted to make an entire ceremony. It feels like people are getting pissed at my for not knowing anything about a community I'm just not very familiar with.

Anyways, back to my first point: This is my contest. Mine. My rules, my money, my prizes and my time, energy and effort. I'm not going to apologize for that. The official rules will be posted shortly and I'll update my initial post. If people want to get in touch with me, feel free to message me through this forum. I'll soon have an email box for people to complain directly to me. As for now, back to work for me.

tl;dr
Cogiro ergo nom.


Addendum: man alive you yaoi/guro/scat people are scary. Getting you upset is like throwing rocks at a hornet's nest or pissing off /b/. FORGIVENESS PLEASE FOR ANY PERCEIVED SLIGHTS

[anneke]

It may be 'your' responsiabilty but the contest is still a FANIME contest and reflects on the convention as a whole. I will be speaking to the fanime board because I know they have always wanted to make sure to not be offensive to any group. If you want to run a contest that is just for your group, and run any way you like, then don't have it at the convention.

As for not knowning the community, you should atleast know the environment you are planning on running the contest in. Your method of judging is also not fair, which will limit those who want to enter. They do ballots at the big AMV contest for fairness and a small room isn't going to have nearly as many ballots to count. If you also know the hentai community at Fanime, then you would be aware that the Hentai room already has a bad rep, due to a few to many males with their hands in their pockets. Don't like the honesty, well sorry it's the truth. You want to make a contest just to enhance that rep vs trying to establish something that has a resimblence to an actual video contest? I've gone to the convention enough years, and been in both rooms, and guess what girls and guys can be found in both, and you have a very limited/narrow view of things.

[Erudito]

Here’s my two cents:

1. Issues with content can be solved easily by putting up a content note at the beginning of the video. Those who don't want to see it can look at their shoes for three minutes. I'm not fond of yaoi or tentacles, but that doesn't mean I don't want people who like those to not be in the contest. Hentai is hentai, you can't just cut out a genre because you don't approve of it. Let's try to make this fair for everyone.

2. You could also divide up genres. As there won’t be a large amount of entries you could make it a little hour of the hentai rooms that focus on that genre/style. Yaoi contest in the yaoi room, straight contest in the straight room, yuri contest in the yuri room. Something simple like that could remove several problems from running the contest.

I think many of the issues could easily be solved by simple compromises. Let’s remember that hentai is about fun for adults. Thus if you want this contest to run make it fun for adults. I wish you luck with getting everything set up and approved.

[AndreVSWorld]

I'm giving up on trying to argue with people as they ignore what I say and choose to go another route. Whatever, can't please everyone. If you feel that strongly, ask the Fanime staff to run Yaoi Music Video Awards. I could have sworn I said I'd help as much as I could with that, but I guess it isn't enough. Fanime is by fans, for fans. I'm just a fan trying to do one little part. I asked to do one specific thing and it feels like I'm being yelled at for not doing more. Blegh to this whole business and I look forward to starting to get the pieces to come together.

Thanks for the encouragement to those who've given it. To the rest, thank you for reminding me what message forums aren't the friendliest places. It has been a long time.

I've passed off the preliminary rules and guidelines to Jerry, so I'll expect to post them here soon and update the initial post.

[ngsilver]

Let me take a moment out of my own preparations for a convention to put my comments into perspective. I feel very strongly that in general Hentai videos tend to get the shaft. I'm very passionate about hentai and am an avid supporter of de-censorship. I run multiple hentai competitions throughout the year as well as run my own hentai contest for Youmacon which I will say struggles to get entries every year, despite allowing any type of hentai video. And of course, I offer hosting for hentai videos so that editors can freely distribute their work because the org does not host them. So yes, I DO already take my own advice and put my own time, effort, money, and reputation on the line for this.

Just this past year for AWA Pro's contest I was one of the editor's who submitted a hentai video to then find out that no award was given out this year for the category. There are very few contests out there where editors like me who tend to dabble in editing hentai can submit our work and gain recognition for it. So when I hear of a new contest that I can submit to I get excited. But then when I hear that it isn't in fact a hentai contest, but instead a sub-genre contest that touts itself as a hentai contest, I get rather depressed. Now I see a new contest that while allowing for some gain for hentai editors, it does not allow for a full step forward because the coordinator decided to only allow some videos to get in. It's that fact that makes me sad.

While I personally don't know much about the Yaoi culture, nor does it arouse me, I still accept videos of the Yaoi type. The same can be said for scat, guro, loli, shota, and many other genera that I generally don't enjoy. I don't deny these videos because I don't enjoy their content or know of the culture surrounding them, because in the end they are hentai videos. If I'm going to run a hentai contest, then I'm going to accept all hentai videos, because I'm running a hentai contest.

However, it IS your contest. You are the one in charge of how it is run so yes, it is your decision. By all means, continue with your plans, it's nice to see a new contest that caters to the adult arts. All I can do is plead that you don't deny everyone access.