Fanime Contest Results

[dokidoki]

If all the judeges decided that the video was in the wrong category, it was moved to another, if the judges could decide if it should be moved or not, and if so where, then the desion was left ot where the editor put it in the first place. In the case of "love is a battlefield" and "I am an outsider" thsi was split between the judegs and were left where the editors submitted them.

At least since it was split, someone agreed with me.

[TaranT]

I agree that honest and constructive criticism has it's place, but saying a video is crap is far from constructive and that is what a few people have said. Those kinds of comments are never necessary and if someone feels the need, they can at least have the courtesy to PM or e-mail the person instead of stating so in a public forum where hundreds will read it.

Also arguing about the resuts and saying someone was robbed just makes someone look to be a sore loser. I realize that 90% of the time that's not the case, but it still looks that way.

Either way, I can see what you mean, but hopefully you can see my points as well. I always hate seeing this kind of AMV contest fallout. Perhaps I should stop visiting this particular forum .

I do see your point, but suggest not getting too upset about this. Feedback is generally a good thing, and while we hope everybody would be polite, you have to allow for human nature. "AMV drama" can be as entertaining as the AMVs. At least there have been no personal insults - or very few. (The "crazy lady" title was uncalled for, but you've been around since 2002 so you know that anneke and ErMaC (and maybe Mister Furious) have some history between them.) Even SpPANDA has been more restrained than I can remember.

I didn't have a problem with anneke's post, no more so than ErMaC's comments on the mailing list. Both were pretty blunt and made multiple use of the "C" word.

[TaranT]

In fact, controversy seems to be attached to all the West Coast AMV contests. Except Anime Evolution, but there's time for that one.

As long as I'm running things at AE hopefully there should be none...

Sounds good. Just didn't want you to feel like we were ignoring you.

[Starherd]

Many thanks to Scott for making such a considerate post... I only have one question...

Judges
...As for the judges awards being different from the viewers choice, well that's the point. the fans see videos and vote for enjoyment, the judeges are looking what we regard to as content, you can agree or disagree with our methods or judgements in awards we present, but if you attend the event, you have the right to vote differently form the judges. Certain things I accept, the fan base of Fanime demigraphic is age 14-23, where the youngest member of the judgeing staff this year was 26. sure that may have somethign to do with it, but in the end, it is the opinion of the judges, that is all.

Um, this implies strongly that the audience will not vote for a video that the judges vote for, which makes no sense to me. A well-made video can easily be appreciated by both audience and judges - just because the judging criteria are different doesn't mean that they're mutually exclusive. The audience is not unintelligent; they're just as likely to vote for a video that's obviously had a lot of work put into it as the judges are.

Anyway, that also makes it sound like the judges wait and pick their videos to award after the audience vote is taken, which also makes no sense to me - they would then be influenced by how the audience voted more than by the merits of the videos themselves. O_O

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In regards to "cry little Idol" video
Yes this video's creator did ask me if he should submit a censored version and after reviewign the material I said it wasn't nessisary.Part of that desicison is the region at atmosphere that Fanime is in. Had I been runnign the contest with the same pool of videos in a region like say, Utah, I would have DQ'd the video almsot instantly sicne it was appropriate for the region, or a more conservative con which has stricker policeies. however for the past few years fanime has been fairly laxed in this area, ( adult stars in dealers room, hentai and yaoi marathons ) While I keep certain things out of the AMV contest a few things I will allow for creative freedom. The video in question, while shocking, does not cross a legal barrier for PG-13 content. It comes very close, but not over it, another video in semis did the same for language. However I do agree that this needs to be address to the viewing audince and next year during my announcements I will add that this is an unrated event and some sequences may not be appropriate, but I will keep that a rateing system will be in place for submitted videos.

An announcement is a good idea. However, the hentai and yaoi stuff is id-checked over 18 only, and the adult stars in the dealers room aren't exactly demonstrating their profession in front of passers-by, so the point about CA being more relaxed than Utah that way doesn't make much sense to me. Also, I'd be pretty pissed if I waited hours to get in to an event with my kids only to be told, after being seated, that some videos that would be shown were not child-safe, so we'd have to leave. Stuff to keep in mind.

Regarding time: it was a four day con, and the events I wanted to go to were... all on Saturday. As a result, I did not attend Sunday or Monday (I tried to attend the AMV semifiinals on Monday, but the baby said no), and got pretty bored on Friday. So, I feel like time was not used well at the con. Even if the AMV finals *must* be on Saturday afternoon (which I don't agree with anyway - I'd rather go Sunday afternoon and get my money's worth for paying for four days of convention), I still feel that it's very important to have the semifinals before the finals. Given how few people really want to sit through five hours of videos, why couldn't they have been Friday night programming?

Okay, I think the second comment turned into a question... sorry...

[mckeed]

I love how everyone doesn't even see the piles of violence in my cry little idol video and only see the nudity. I had a person stabbing someone multiple times in a very violent and bloody fashion and no one complains about it. Yes, the panty ripping was a little on the edge. It was meant to be that way. It was meant to be pretty shocking. Technically nothing was actually shown but the ripping so to me this falls under violence, but I didn't think that was really the worst part of it. There is a problem with people in this country favoring violence over nudity. I think its rather silly and think violence is much worse than nudity.

As I stated, I had categorized the panty ripping under violence and not under nudity, which is why I kept it. I figured that violence is easier to get by people than nudity. I did initially try to edit around it but it just didn't match the feeling of desperation I wanted to convey in the video as well as I wanted. I was building up the ending and that was just the best way to punctuate what I wanted. In the end it was categorized into nudity anyway. Go figure.

[MadNavigator]

I'm just both surprised and honored that I made the finals, honestly. What surprised me even more was that the video I wasn't counting on to really get too far made it to the final round ("Ohayo Spaceboy").

What made it, made it. What won, won. Don't know if my other video ("Beautiful...Man?") was shown in the Semis, because I had a plane to catch during the showing. If I have anything to say about ErMaC's video...it's that it would be fine as something on the projector wall of some anime-themed nightclub. But that's about it. He won the cookies, no big whoop.

kthxbye

[Venomi]

I'm suprized over all this fuzz... I'm just happy to have my first AMV win, althought i don't much participate on contests anyway... And i agree in the fact that judges were averagely older then the viewers so it will give a different perspect on reviewing an AMV. Everyone knows what is good and what is bad in they're opinion. Mayby older persons look more to the idea, complexity and technicality in an AMV and younger persons look for the overall feeling it gives? Anyway, i wish i would have been there just to see my work on big screen... It must be the best feeling in the AMV community. 8)
P.S. I wonder if they post prizes as far as Finland?

[Rune72]

First, im wondering when the creators of Extraordinary World and Love is a Battlefield are going to upload their videos. Id like very much to see them again.

Second, im wondering, what is all this ridiculous arguments about? Is this common among this community? Personally, im just a viewer who greatly enjoyed the show (great work guys, a definetely excellent year) and so maybe I cant see the underlying arguments between you, but the amount of anger being shown in this topic just seems foolish. I voted for Extraordinary World as being best of show, despite thinking that while interesting, the hand drawn segment in the middle was drawn out much too long. Maybe my enjoyment of it is explainable because im a simple AMV fan who is attracted by big colors and happy effects, or I was dirtied beforehand like the judges. I guess thats for you guys to say.

Anyways, constructive criticism is understandable, but do you people really need to attack at each other like wounded animals?

[Vlad G Pohnert]

First, im wondering when the creators of Extraordinary World and Love is a Battlefield are going to upload their videos. Id like very much to see them again.

I'll post Love is a Battlefield up tonight.. All I have right now is an mpeg1 and just too busy to make a DviX encode. It's do for now I suppose

Vlad

[TaranT]

First, im wondering when the creators of Extraordinary World and Love is a Battlefield are going to upload their videos. Id like very much to see them again.

I'll post Love is a Battlefield up tonight.. All I have right now is an mpeg1 and just too busy to make a DviX encode. It's do for now I suppose

I had a bad link to this on my ACen list. Sorry 'bout that. It's fixed now.