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Post by SuperS4 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:01 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:Dude, if you can't round up a handfull of laptops for video rooms for once a year, you have to be the most unresourceful person on the planet.
Oh I'm sure I could easily find a bunch of people who would be willing to let me use their laptops for a con. But there would be a problem with that, and I'm surprised, that with your ever so great intelligence, you missed.

It's called uniform standard. One system is going to be better then the other, this means one will perform better. So you base it off one, and something happens to it, you have to use one that is different then the last and may not work as well as the other. Next you have compatibility issues, one may have all the necessary codecs to play all the formats as you seem to think is a grand idea, the next might only have a few. Or some of the laptops may not have the hardware necessary to play back certain files. You need a DVD Drive to be able to read MPEG-2 files properly. So what happens if the laptops you procure for a con, don't have DVD Roms? Or what if one does, but during the con, there is problem and that laptop gets damaged. Now you are up shit creek without a paddle, considering anyone who entered a video using MPEG-2, is now fucked.

Also, several cons do their judging prior to the contest, like AN does. This means they have to make discs for all the judges to view. If you start allowing every conceivable format, you might end up with a judge who has a system that cannot handle a certain format. I mean, some people may decide for some reason, they want to encode using H.264, and not all systems can handle that format all too well depending on how it is encoded. So now we have yet another problem. If your judges can't view one of the videos, what are they going to do, not judge it? :roll:

Honestly, for someone who seems to think they know everything there is about video editting, video judging, video contests, you sure do act like an idiot sometimes and miss some of the obvious flaws in your own ideas.

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Post by JudgeHolden » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:02 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:Maybe now it is on 5 pages? :shock:






























































































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Now it is! I win this thread! I win!
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Post by SuperS4 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:02 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:Maybe now it is on 5 pages? :shock: :twisted:
Nope .... now?
HA! I beat you to it! The fifth page is MINE!

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Post by JudgeHolden » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:03 pm

SuperS4 wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:Maybe now it is on 5 pages? :shock: :twisted:
Nope .... now?
HA! I beat you to it! The fifth page is MINE!
Damn, I am a loser! :cry:

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Post by Ladymercury » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:11 pm

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Post by DJ_Izumi » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:18 pm

SuperS4 wrote:It's called uniform standard. One system is going to be better then the other, this means one will perform better. So you base it off one, and something happens to it, you have to use one that is different then the last and may not work as well as the other. Next you have compatibility issues, one may have all the necessary codecs to play all the formats as you seem to think is a grand idea, the next might only have a few. Or some of the laptops may not have the hardware necessary to play back certain files. You need a DVD Drive to be able to read MPEG-2 files properly. So what happens if the laptops you procure for a con, don't have DVD Roms? Or what if one does, but during the con, there is problem and that laptop gets damaged. Now you are up shit creek without a paddle, considering anyone who entered a video using MPEG-2, is now fucked.
It's not a uniform standard, it's a minimum standard. One laptop may not have all the codecs? Install the codecs. You use a uniform set up of software and spend an hour making sure all the boxes will use the same softaware. What are you, new to using a computer?

Laptop not fast enough? Set a minimum spec for the aquired laptops so that doesn't happen, not that that should be difficult. Finding a laptop with sufficent disck space, RGB out and power to decode 480p h264 is NOT difficult. Hell a Celeron M 1.3ghz can decode 720p h.264 with only 70% of the CPU speed, 480p material is a cake walk for any P3 in excess of 750mhz. Just make sure the laptop was built in THIS CENTURY.
You need a DVD Drive to be able to read MPEG-2 files properly.
No you don't. You need a DVD-ROM to read DVD disks properly. Reading Mpeg-2 is not drive specific. Any laptop should have at least a DVD-ROM minimum even if it's not necessary. The entire purpose to use a machine that has a hard disk is so all the media can be present locally. You should be reading all the media off the local hard disk and not be swapping in and out disks. That adds the disturbance.

The entire goal is to make everything seamless. For AC^3 we recived compliants along the lines of 'At AN they're switching DVDs all the time'. Our video rooms ran non-stop, after the episodes played there would even be an animated video that would count down untill the next episode so everyone could peek in and see on the big screen exactly when the next episode would start, and this year we'll be advancing on that.

So you know, have fun looking like a bunch of noobs while you're flipping disks.

What if the laptops get damaged? What if the PROJECTORS get damaged? They cost a lot too. What the hell kind of excuse is that? Let's just not have conventions at all if there's a risk of electronics being damaged. :O All of your excuses are based on the concept of 'What if you do something completly stupid' and can easily be delt with and prevented with if you have any idea how to use a freakin' computer.
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Post by Haunter103 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:48 pm

SuperS4 wrote:... You also wouldn't run into any problems with someone sending in a video with some strange format that no one had heard of before and then encounter playback issues on a single video while all the others play flawlessly. ...
Maybe not ALL the others :roll:
DJ_Izumi wrote:This thread isn't past four pages... o.O
In the first sentence of your first post on this thread, you began to carry over an argument form A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FORUM. Maybe this is where some of the confusion regarding thread length lies :P

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Post by Beowulf » Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:21 pm

rofl Izumi should have been banned eons ago.

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Post by SuperS4 » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:12 pm

Haunter103 wrote:
SuperS4 wrote:... You also wouldn't run into any problems with someone sending in a video with some strange format that no one had heard of before and then encounter playback issues on a single video while all the others play flawlessly. ...
Maybe not ALL the others :roll:
Well yeah, SOME PEOPLE'S videos will playback flawlessly on any system you could try to play it on. I mean, I'm sure, simply because of their greatness, it would run fine on an old 286 or even older systems, like a Commodore 64 :roll:

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Post by DJ_Izumi » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:40 pm

SuperS4 wrote:Well yeah, SOME PEOPLE'S videos will playback flawlessly on any system you could try to play it on. I mean, I'm sure, simply because of their greatness, it would run fine on an old 286 or even older systems, like a Commodore 64 :roll:
1) Set up a standard for submissions. In terms of video and audio compression. Did you know someone actually submitted a file in MS Mpeg-4 V1 High Speed? That codec wasn't useful when it was NEW. I was googling it up by it's four digit serial number, not even the fourCC could be identified. Which, of course, it looked like ass anyway but still needed to be transcoded. It wouldn't have killed you to set up a submission standard. You were using DivX players for playback anyway, it wouldn't have killed you to dig up your player's manual and published submission specifications so no trans-coding would have been necessary at all and I wouldn't have been googling up ancient useless crap from 1998 for your contest. :/

The video also sucked and looked like crap.

2) 286's and Commodore 64's? That's your excuse? Agian, any 750mhz CPU box should be able to decode anything you throw at it so long as it's not 720p h.264. But you might want to go with 850mhz just to be safe. Personally, for AC^3 we set a minimum hardware of standard of 1ghz just to make sure we had enough headroom for 720p. All you need is to install the correct software, CCCP, CoreAVC (I assume you can afford the $10 to pay for it), and a reliable media player. Then you need a laptop that isn't CRAP and has video hardware that supports theater mode and you're good to go.

All of your excuses as to why it would be a BAD idea are stupid, it's like you know it's a decent idea but are clawing for reasons to not acknowledge it.

What if the laptops break? Well, what if the projectors break? What if the large screen TV's for the video games feel off a table? What if the sound hardware shorted out? It's a convention, you have a lot of big ticket items on hand and adding another one won't be upping your risk level.

What if the computer is too slow? Why did you aquire computers that were too slow? You should have done your homework before hand and set a minimum hardware standard. Finding laptops (or even desktops, but they're so big and unweildy and lack a built, compact display) in excess of 1ghz is NOT DIFFICULT. It's 2006 dude, seriously.

What if the computer can't playback the format? You have a YEAR to prepair for a convention, you forgot to install necessary playback software which would take 15mins per computer to install? You should resign your position and let someone who knows what they're doing do it.

Also, your DivX players are largely LACKING in capability. Mpeg-4 capable DivX players very in capability, where as with DVD-Video you're locked into a specific format. This is why there were initial problems in the AMV contest, disk ran fine on Les's machine but not on your machine. You can't decode AVI with AAC audio in those players, you sure as hell won't be decoding h.264 (Which, let's face it, is the FUTURE of fansubs and video decoding) Not all of them can decode DivX High Def which means you're stuck scaling video down.

You also can't seemlessly control your video or add in new media without disturbing the main projection on a DVD player cause the OSD and menus pop up when you're swapping disks and you won't be changing playlists if need be on the fly, meaning you lack on site flexability. With a laptop you can be copying new material to the machine, changing playlists, and playng Minesweeper at the back of the room while no one see's anything but anime on the projector.

Oh right, that's why I got all those compliments in November about how 'Anime North has never done anything like that before, they're always changing DVDs'. :)
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