Anime North 2006 AMV Competition Results
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Regardless of everything else in this thread, I think this has been an interesting discussion of formats to use at cons. But the "switching DVDs" comment should be clarified: We don't switch between DVDs in the AMV Competition. I know that the A/V staff switch DVDs between programming blocks, which can lead to wait times as the A/V department is chronicly short-staffed during the con (most people want to attend the con, not be stuck in a back-room somewhere). If anyone wants to lend their expertise I'm sure they would be more than willing to accept the help.
This comes down to an operational issue at the con, not the AMV Department. Anime North sticks with DVDs because that is the format that the anime companies send us their premieres. Premieres get first dibs at the programming pie and everything else is juggled around. In the past, AN has received premieres right up to the day of the con, which results in the video rooms being a constant juggling act as things get bumped to different times. It gives our programming head fits because we end up going through 15 iterations of the schedule before the pocket program goes to the printer a few days before the con. Using DVDs allows programming to manage the playlist on the fly from the A/V room and con office, and the equipment has to match the skillset of the lowest common denominator of volunteer that operations is likely to get to staff the video rooms.
Also, the main room where the AMV finalists are shown shares the space with live events and the lights and sound are contracted out to another A/V company that would much rather work with a DVD than a computer file.
There are also issues of theft to consider, where a DVD player is a lot cheaper than a computer to replace. When you have over 11,000 attendees, you also have to expect that lots of unforseen events can occur - live events can go overtime (cough*KOTOKO*cough), kids get lost, DVDs/DVD players may not work, etc. The AMV Competition has to work within the existing operational framework of the con, which is a much larger entity than the AMV Competition itself.
I think in the end it comes down to a matter of operational and programming logistics - the larger the convention size, the greater the logistical complexity and inertia in implementing new concepts. I believe the saying goes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The con's operational procedures have been built around the simplicity and flexibility that swapping DVDs provides and I don't see that changing in the near future.
For smaller cons that are still developing operational procedures, I would agree that computers might be the better way to go.
Sorry about the rambling. Perhaps the AMV coordinators of Otakon, ACen, AWA and AX could comment on what works for them? Or perhaps we need another thread to address the issue?
This comes down to an operational issue at the con, not the AMV Department. Anime North sticks with DVDs because that is the format that the anime companies send us their premieres. Premieres get first dibs at the programming pie and everything else is juggled around. In the past, AN has received premieres right up to the day of the con, which results in the video rooms being a constant juggling act as things get bumped to different times. It gives our programming head fits because we end up going through 15 iterations of the schedule before the pocket program goes to the printer a few days before the con. Using DVDs allows programming to manage the playlist on the fly from the A/V room and con office, and the equipment has to match the skillset of the lowest common denominator of volunteer that operations is likely to get to staff the video rooms.
Also, the main room where the AMV finalists are shown shares the space with live events and the lights and sound are contracted out to another A/V company that would much rather work with a DVD than a computer file.
There are also issues of theft to consider, where a DVD player is a lot cheaper than a computer to replace. When you have over 11,000 attendees, you also have to expect that lots of unforseen events can occur - live events can go overtime (cough*KOTOKO*cough), kids get lost, DVDs/DVD players may not work, etc. The AMV Competition has to work within the existing operational framework of the con, which is a much larger entity than the AMV Competition itself.
I think in the end it comes down to a matter of operational and programming logistics - the larger the convention size, the greater the logistical complexity and inertia in implementing new concepts. I believe the saying goes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The con's operational procedures have been built around the simplicity and flexibility that swapping DVDs provides and I don't see that changing in the near future.
For smaller cons that are still developing operational procedures, I would agree that computers might be the better way to go.
Sorry about the rambling. Perhaps the AMV coordinators of Otakon, ACen, AWA and AX could comment on what works for them? Or perhaps we need another thread to address the issue?
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And how about increased functionality?
The waiting period between the showing of certian anime episodes can be created into something useful instead of dead air space. While in 2006 we only had animated graphics counting down untill the begining of the next episode. You also have the option of making use of that space to include video advertising that can be sold as commercials or tasteful still image slide shows like what one see's in a theater. Forget selling advertising space in the booklets, what's someone going to pay to show a 15-30 second commercial immediatly before Advent Children or what ever the 2007 Anime Killer App equivilant is?
The waiting period between the showing of certian anime episodes can be created into something useful instead of dead air space. While in 2006 we only had animated graphics counting down untill the begining of the next episode. You also have the option of making use of that space to include video advertising that can be sold as commercials or tasteful still image slide shows like what one see's in a theater. Forget selling advertising space in the booklets, what's someone going to pay to show a 15-30 second commercial immediatly before Advent Children or what ever the 2007 Anime Killer App equivilant is?
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Y'know, considering that Azumanga DIE-OH 2 also did well, your winning that award does not seem like that much of an anomaly.DJ_Izumi wrote:Who cares if I deserved to win? I slapped a bunch of cartoons together with sound from a movie to make something that would entertain me for 180 seconds. It's not like I'm curing cancer here.SuperS4 wrote:So how do you know you deserved to win?
You make it sound like that's some kind of achievement. What's going to be your follow up? Using series such as Trigun, Azumanga Daioh, Cowboy Bebop and Rurouni Kenshin, and making them look cool? What an easy mark. I didn't contribute anything this year, but I was thinking of making a Witch Hunter Robin AMV to enter in 2007, but after what you posted, since Witch Hunter Robin is considered kind of cool, I'm thinking of using Wedding Peach (yet again...) and making that look cool - based on the calculation that you'll probably do the same MO again, it would be a good upstaging strategy, and if the song's weird enough, will at least get me noticed in the audience. I also don't have to go buy any Witch Hunter Robin DVDs in that case, either.DJ_Izumi wrote:Oh, and I'll tell you how I won. I used Eva and made it look cool.
Well maybe there is karma after all, seeing that you don't seem particularly gracious to have won it and didn't even show up, even though you could have.DJ_Izumi wrote:The head broke off my award...
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He's got a point there.azulmagia wrote:Y'know, considering that Azumanga DIE-OH 2 also did well, your winning that award does not seem like that much of an anomaly.
No, I'm saying I went with the lowest common denominator and actually devalueing my video with my own comments. I mean come on dude, it's eva, in a trailer! It's been DONE! (Though it is suprising how many movies Eva DOES plausably work with.)azulmagia wrote:You make it sound like that's some kind of achievement.DJ_Izumi wrote:Oh, and I'll tell you how I won. I used Eva and made it look cool.
...A devalueing that apparently went clean over your head. -.-;azulmagia wrote:What's going to be your follow up? Using series such as Trigun, Azumanga Daioh, Cowboy Bebop and Rurouni Kenshin, and making them look cool? What an easy mark.
I was waiting in line for the AMV contest but then I saw some friends and went to hang out with them instead. ^_^;azulmagia wrote:Well maybe there is karma after all, seeing that you don't seem particularly gracious to have won it and didn't even show up, even though you could have.
Plus waiting for like two hours to see if I lost (Which I was expecting, I was suprised enough that I was a finalist) didn't sound like as much fun as hanging out with my friends.
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Eva is to AMV-ing what the word "fuck" is to English vocabulary, you can use it for anything.DJ_Izumi wrote:No, I'm saying I went with the lowest common denominator and actually devalueing my video with my own comments. I mean come on dude, it's eva, in a trailer! It's been DONE! (Though it is suprising how many movies Eva DOES plausably work with.)azulmagia wrote:You make it sound like that's some kind of achievement.DJ_Izumi wrote:Oh, and I'll tell you how I won. I used Eva and made it look cool.
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