Otakon 2003: Sizing up the Competition...

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:59 pm

Hmmmm....People putting too much faith in my skills....

No gaurantee here that even me or Tim will even make the finals with all the good videos out there... And then it's up to the crowed to decide who wins via ballot so all bets are off there....

Vlad

iserlohn · Post by **iserlohn** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:00 pm

Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

and re: Yatta....if the creator's decnt they'll contact Matt and change their submission to non-competing. It'll still get shown once or twice on the big screen, people can laugh, and the ignorant can bitch about it being screwed out of the contest later. I consider it a troll at this point (like AD said in the Portcon thread, it's had its 15 minutes of fame....three times), someone else on this coast deserves a chance.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:10 pm

iserlohn wrote:Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

I'll definitely be crying if mine makes the cut, but I'm not sure about the "for joy" part...

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:14 pm

hackerzc wrote:
Cybermat wrote:Ummm.... ano...

The Otakon deadline was at the end of May... that's a lot more than 4 days ago.
Hey Matt I would like a ruling on something.
Let's say that a video submitted to Otakon Just won an award This Past weekend (6-14-03), and We have yet to review it.
More so, let's say that this video has won 3 awards already (two previous to this weekend).
Is it DQ'd or would we just put that it is trolling in the comments section when we actually DO review it?

Also, exactly WHAT constitutes trolling. Winning before the pre-screening review, winning before the contest deadline, wining before sending a vid in to a contest at all, or a combenation of these?

Well, I thought I'd say something on this as well since I am running two contests and some videos entered have already previous awards recently

Eveyone has an opinion on what exactly trolling is.. With all the conventions going on at once, I think trolling has to be redifined a bit. Personally, I think all the videos are being sent out to the various contests in the hopes of making the cut at one or a few.. Then all of a sudden they start to win at several..So them what! What if the video was submitted to a contest and won after the deadline else where and the other contest is in the process of judging already.. So it if fair to start "Yanking" videos out of the judging... I look at it this way, If you win multiple contests after the deadline then that's the way it is... Quite frankly, even if you win before at a contest but have not entered any other contests, then why can't you send it in to one other unless the rules spell it out..

Quite frankly the reason for me sending a video to a con is so the audiance SEES it.. And it's nice to have a few cons screen it so that udiances in different areas get to see it... I always thought that winning to most creators what not as important as having it screens, so why all of a sudden has it become such a problem? Now I can see if a video is sent in to say 6 or 7 contests over a streatch of a year...

I suppose if you start to looking at trolling as winning more than once, then trolling by some could also be defined as the very tallented editors always making the cut with thier videos and depriving others from having thier videos screened....

So my point is, everyone has a definition of Trolling and it may not agree with someone elses... I would say the important part for us creators is to have a resonable screening opportunity at a few cons of our videos... Winning is just iccing on the cake it should really mean that muck not matter how ofter it happens to a resonable linit of course...

Vlad

BaHaRa · Post by **BaHaRa** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:29 pm

iserlohn wrote:Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

and re: Yatta....if the creator's decnt they'll contact Matt and change their submission to non-competing. It'll still get shown once or twice on the big screen, people can laugh, and the ignorant can bitch about it being screwed out of the contest later. I consider it a troll at this point (like AD said in the Portcon thread, it's had its 15 minutes of fame....three times), someone else on this coast deserves a chance.

we have sent emails and withdrawn from the competing section of fanime and some others just now. we all very much wish to compete at otakon, since we have attended the last 2 years and have had a video in it before. We never planned on submitting to PCM, but after reading one of the replies scott made on the PCM thread that said something about it being a small con and just needed some submissions, and that they did not care if videos had been submitted elsewhere at the same time. We didnt really see any fault in it and didnt think it would anger so many people.

our intentions weren't to troll, and we apologize for what has happened. We are removing ourselves from several competitions, but we are just not willing to give up on otakon, and i really hope we make it

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:51 pm

Well... One thing is for sure, Big contest will not suffer for this if creators start to withdraw for winning unexpectedly somwwhere elese, but the small cons will SUFFER if this starts to happen on a bigger scale....

Vlad

BaHaRa wrote:
iserlohn wrote:Hot damn. Am I the only one who will be crying for joy if their video makes the final cut?

and re: Yatta....if the creator's decnt they'll contact Matt and change their submission to non-competing. It'll still get shown once or twice on the big screen, people can laugh, and the ignorant can bitch about it being screwed out of the contest later. I consider it a troll at this point (like AD said in the Portcon thread, it's had its 15 minutes of fame....three times), someone else on this coast deserves a chance.

we have sent emails and withdrawn from the competing section of fanime and some others just now. we all very much wish to compete at otakon, since we have attended the last 2 years and have had a video in it before. We never planned on submitting to PCM, but after reading one of the replies scott made on the PCM thread that said something about it being a small con and just needed some submissions, and that they did not care if videos had been submitted elsewhere at the same time. We didnt really see any fault in it and didnt think it would anger so many people.

our intentions weren't to troll, and we apologize for what has happened. We are removing ourselves from several competitions, but we are just not willing to give up on otakon, and i really hope we make it

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:53 pm

1.Yes I did send in a video
2. Serious/ Dramatic
3. 250

Now I thought before getting reviews on this video it was going to do well. And now well oh boy did I ever screw up. I think next year will be better for our videos in the past serval months has dramatically improved. Next year Otakon I think we'll have a shot. This year just pray that we don't get stomped on.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:59 pm

genestarwind21122 wrote:1.Yes I did send in a video
2. Serious/ Dramatic
3. 250

Now I thought before getting reviews on this video it was going to do well. And now well oh boy did I ever screw up. I think next year will be better for our videos in the past serval months has dramatically improved. Next year Otakon I think we'll have a shot. This year just pray that we don't get stomped on.

Uhm you know the deadline for saying the # of entries was like a week ago right?

You should read the entire thread before posting...basically we already have a good idea how many entries there are since they already started doing pre-screenings..i.e. no more entries being sent and so on.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:02 pm

Yeah...I was WAY off.

Is the majority of the increase due to the online submissions? Or was there a general increase. I know that people assumed...but I have yet to hear an official statement.

iserlohn · Post by **iserlohn** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:50 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Well... One thing is for sure, Big contest will not suffer for this if creators start to withdraw for winning unexpectedly somwwhere elese, but the small cons will SUFFER if this starts to happen on a bigger scale....

I would say that the big cons are the ones who need the no-trolling rules most since they have the most entries - give other people a chance. With 180+ entries and only 30 who'll be in the finals, I'd want as few repeats in the contest as possible. It's almost pathetic how many videos I saw on the Fanime list (courtesy of Quu's LJ) that showed up on Otakon tapes. I doubt most of those people are even attending both cons, and if their goal is to see their video on the screen, why shop it around as a competing entry when they won't be at the con?

What I'd rather see is a rule for smaller cons requiring the creator to be present to win, and a "no prior wins" rule for larger cons, just to keep things fresh...but that's me.