The Windows Movie Maker Challenge.

Kusoyaro · Post by **Kusoyaro** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:07 pm

Damn, this sounds like fun, but I doubt I'll have time

That, and I have no clue how to use WMM.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:40 pm

Kusoyaro wrote:Damn, this sounds like fun, but I doubt I'll have time

That, and I have no clue how to use WMM.

You'll find it pretty similar to premiere, just with less options and stuff.

One thing I like about this contest especially for experienced editors who want to join is that they will have to adjust to a new experience working in WMM.

Everyone is fair game in this contest because the judges do not know who are the well known and unknown creators, nor will I tell any of them until after the contest.

I'm amazed by the large amount of interest in this contest, I may set up a small webpage soon.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:42 pm

What the heck...I'll make something. It'll be weird using WMM2 and not normal WMM.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:46 pm

So, can I use Cinelerra for this? I mean, it satisfies the "free" criteria, moreso than Windows Movie Maker, since it's Free, not just "free".

Just curious -- no idea if I'll enter.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:55 pm

Cinelerra != WMM

I think it's a much better idea to have everyone using the same program, not just free ones. This way everyone has all the same resources available; no more, no less.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:55 pm

Part two:

I also don't understand the stipulation that you can't use "crazy filters" for VirtualDub and AVISynth and the like.

The point of this contest is to see what people can do with stuff that isn't insanely expensive, right?

If I wanted a glowing border effect, I could do something like this in AVISynth:

b = AVISource("...")
c = b.Tweak(cont=1.35).Blur(1.5)
m = msharpen(b, threshold=20, mask=true).Greyscale().Blur(1.5).Blur(1.5)
return MaskedMerge(b, c, m)

Sure, it takes some knowledge on what all those filters out there actually do, but it's not like that takes a lot of money. Seems to me as if you have some artificial limitations in place.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:55 pm

I'd enter if I could use virtualdub and avisynth alone.

I don't have XP so I can't install WMM

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:56 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Cinelerra != WMM

Yeah, it's better

However, it's also available to beginners. I should know; I started out on it.

What's with this Windows bias?

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:58 pm

Trythil, it's restricted to WMM for a reason. I think it would be very hard for Castor to tell the difference between a Cinlerra produced video using vdub and avs filters and a video made in Premiere.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:01 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Trythil, it's restricted to WMM for a reason. I think it would be very hard for Castor to tell the difference between a Cinlerra produced video using vdub and avs filters and a video made in Premiere.

See, that's the thing:

Castor Troy wrote: This is the ultimate contest to prove that you don't need expensive programs like premiere or final cut pro to make a decent video. With Windows Movie Maker being free, everyone has a good shot at making decent videos.

Windows Movie Maker is a free editing system, but there are others out there. If the point of the contest is to prove that you don't need expensive software to do neat things, then I don't see where the WMM-only + no weird filter chains in VDub / AVS limitation comes from.